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Itís Dangerous to be Ruled by Fear (Barf lire)
New York Slimes ^ | March 20, 2020 | Bret Stephens

Posted on 03/22/2020 7:06:25 AM PDT by FlipWilson

Donald Trump’s first instinct when it came to the coronavirus was to dismiss the threat as overblown, over there, and “totally under control.” His second was to use the pandemic as an opportunity to show off his world-historical leadership skills by treating the virus as a threat on par with World War II.

Both reactions were driven by politics, not evidence. The first was unquestionably wrong. The second needs to be questioned aggressively before we impose solutions possibly more destructive than the virus itself

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Two observations:

1) The media is seeing that this crisis is not only not tanking the Trump Presidency but is boosting it to stratospheric levels. The media, who drove the fear and panic to historic levels, that media, now figures that they have to end this. They, who drove this, now caution about fear and suddenly are discovering stories about how the fear was unfounded.

2) They want to end this as quickly as possible so that they can pivot, on a dime, to blaming Trump for the economy. Look for stories to start appearing that the economy is die to Trump’s policies and tax cuts. They will start to treat this virus as if it NEVER happened.

1 posted on 03/22/2020 7:06:25 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson

the MSM including the NYTimes(treason,sedition central)
is responsible for everydeath in America since
they were so busy LYING to impeach a beloved
ELECTED PRESIDENT.

hopefully they will see justice soon.
America waits patiently for it.


2 posted on 03/22/2020 7:08:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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To: FlipWilson

It is dangerous not to try, convict, and sentence traitors, especially the Deep State and fifth-column media, to be publicly hanged.


3 posted on 03/22/2020 7:09:06 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse

The fourth estate has become the fifth column.


4 posted on 03/22/2020 7:11:10 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: FlipWilson

>>His second was to use the pandemic as an opportunity to show off his world-historical leadership skills by treating the virus as a threat on par with World War II.

He is hardly the only one to draw that comparison. it’s been made in UK an Germany too.


5 posted on 03/22/2020 7:11:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Everyone knows Hillary was corrupt, lied, destroyed documents, and influenced witnesses. Rat crime.)
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To: FlipWilson

lies by omission are lies

yellow journalism lives


6 posted on 03/22/2020 7:12:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Everyone knows Hillary was corrupt, lied, destroyed documents, and influenced witnesses. Rat crime.)
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To: FlipWilson
As of March 22, 2020, although there have been 205,621 "currently infected" cases there are 109,471 "cases with outcome" according to Worldometer.

Of those cases with outcomes 95,890, or 88%, have been "" recovered/discharged.

But 13,581, or 12%, died.

When we say that the death rate is 1.51% as of three days ago, that is done by guessing about the future. When we examine the past the death rate is 12%,

It is very difficult to come to final conclusions concerning lethality because of unknowns. We do not know how many people will catch the virus, we simply know what they report but many experts aver that many more with light or minimal symptoms go unreported.

Therefore it is impossible to make a judgment about the percentage of people within the population who die from the virus because we simply do not know what percentage get sick or what percentage will ultimately be treated.

All we know is that of those treated or recorded about 10 to 12% die by the end of the treatment.


7 posted on 03/22/2020 7:17:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The media regurgitated DNC talking points for weeks to create this panic.

Partisan Media Shills update.


8 posted on 03/22/2020 7:23:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: FlipWilson

Oops. I’m in the wrong thread.
I thought this was going to be about the Nuclear Winter - Hole in the Ozone - Global Warming - Climate Change impending emergency that we’re all facing. /S


9 posted on 03/22/2020 7:25:00 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: FlipWilson

And we know from this Leftist rag that we can be free of fear if we always have a Democrat/Socialist in the White House. Example: There was no fear at the NYT when tens of thousands died of the Swine Flu, because Obama was in office.


10 posted on 03/22/2020 7:26:57 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: FlipWilson

NYT needs only two words to shoot down their rant, “ POTEMKIN VILLAGE”.


11 posted on 03/22/2020 7:35:14 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: nathanbedford

I suppose it is all in how you look at it:

1) we don’t know even a valid estimate of the patient population. The irony is (or was) that the media is driving testing testing testing. But as more people get tested, many with only mild symptoms, the population goes up and the death rate plummets. The media figured this out which is why they have pivoted to a “forget testing it’s impossible” meme.

2) 12% of everyone who gets the disease which is .003% of the World Population meaning .0002% are dying.

3) putting aside the stats, the media is really my issue here. We can all agree on this, very little was amd remains known about this virus. Yet the media used, ala global warming, whatever models they could to drive fear. Some models produced by the very people who had is all dead ten years ago from the rise of the oceans.


12 posted on 03/22/2020 7:49:35 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Diogenesis

We have all the conditions for a “French Revolution”. If these Insider Trading Senators flaunt their behavior they may discover the price of “Let them eat cake.”


13 posted on 03/22/2020 7:55:09 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: FlipWilson

Here is where the media and left is heading, because it’s always about a focus grouped pivot:

1) Americans have no patience for restrictions on their daily lives. The media created this but will now stand athwart and blame Trump in order to capitalize on those frustrations. It will be as if this was all Trumps creation.

2) the pivot away from the virus, as if it never happened, is underway. It is a gradual start evidenced by downplaying the danger and “in hindsight” saying more evidence would have been required to take these measures, etc. Look for “It’s the Economy Stupid” articles to appear shortly.

Already I have heard this gem from our media: “The virus and economy really are separate issues.”


14 posted on 03/22/2020 7:55:41 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: nathanbedford

The way one does this is to look at “doubling rate” not % of total. We are currently doubling every two days. Italy is every three days. In a sense, Italy is doing better than we are.


15 posted on 03/22/2020 7:57:38 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: nathanbedford

It’s clear now we are days into the exponential phase of daily deaths which means the numbers of serious and mild are “upslope”. The magnitude of them is irrelevant to discerning where the asymptote for each group is. We went from “doing nothing” pretty much to “shut it down” a week ago. The asymptote for deaths will be then the asymptote for asymptomatic will probably turn out to be last Monday.


16 posted on 03/22/2020 8:01:20 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: nathanbedford

I have an image that is a chart. B mail me your gmail address and I can send it to you. At least I think I can. Since you know how to post an image maybe you can share it.


17 posted on 03/22/2020 8:03:28 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

I really could care about the insider trading Senators right now. It was hardly inside information that this would panic the markets. I dumped before this hit based on public news, a couple of previous serious downturns of the market based on this and other indicators, like, the potential supply chain interruption in China.

And consider this, I don’t care what the intel briefings said, the CDC was saying publicly what supposedly Burr et. al. got privately.

The “insider” thing is a democrat trap wherein their guys will skate, our guys will resign and Schumer will become majority leader.

Do I like what they did? No? Do they deserve a chance to explain? Yes.

So long as we have a two tiered justice system: Dems skate, Republicans resign, I am forced to save my justice for primary season. Collins has my vote. Burr sucks but the gov of NC is a dem so I am stuck with him lest I lose his seat and am stuck with Romney having veto power over our government.


18 posted on 03/22/2020 8:05:54 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson
Bret Stephens could have wasted a little less of everyone's time by condensing his article to his basic thesis: "Whatever Trump does, I'm going to find fault with it".

That's what all the never-Trump whining has always been about.
19 posted on 03/22/2020 8:15:03 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: wastoute

Kinda sick of hearing about Italy:

https://www.altnewsmedia.net/news/corona-virus-exclusive-why-italy/

We aren’t Italy. We don’t have as many smokers, we don’t have their population density, we don’t have their population of elderly and we don’t have socialized medicine.


20 posted on 03/22/2020 8:15:46 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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