Posted on 03/27/2020 4:49:42 AM PDT by Kaslin
Hey LEFTist Main Stream Media {LMSM] (aka LAME MSM), I have not forgotten your lying, anti-USofA reporting of the past. Example would be the reporters in Sadam’s Bagdad who found everything ever so nice. Afterwards the quickly buried admission that they needed to keep the bureau open so they toed-the-line.
So pardon me for remembering that less than 4% of you have voted non-Democrat over the past multiple years. For remembering the Pulitzers for the Russia Collusion reporting.
If you believe the accuracy of the reports BY the CHINESE GOVERNMENT, why has that same government expelled US Reporters and ordered their subjects to quit working for Western News Media.
I could go on but all it is doing is making me SICK!
[Experience. It is why you want to keep a few old people around.]
8.4 million people live in New York City.
Two months ago, they had 4,000 patients hospitalized for influenza.
Why are they suddenly unprepared to handle a smaller number of patients with COVID-19?
As I posted two weeks ago, a season’s influenza over the course of hours would swamp any hospital. “How many blue people an hour can YOUR hospital manage?” I posted that what seems like a lifetime ago.
In practice, even with an ET tube you get necrosis of the pharynx after a while which is why after a week or so on the vent they do a trach.
I do not understand your response.
4,000 influenza hospitalized was the highest WEEKLY surveillance report from New York City in January 2020.
Are you not aware that the CDC’s smallest estimate for influenza infections in the last 5.5 months is 38 million?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
In practice, even with an ET tube you get necrosis of the pharynx after a while which is why after a week or so on the vent they do a trach.
100% of the dead had sepsis. If this was viral sepsis, you'd think the administration of antivirals by default would help with death rates.
Table 2Treatments and outcomes
Total (n=191) Non-survivor (n=54) Survivor (n=137) p value Treatments
Antibiotics 181 (95%) 53 (98%) 128 (93%) 0·15 Antiviral treatment 41 (21%) 12 (22%) 29 (21%) 0·87 Corticosteroids 57 (30%) 26 (48%) 31 (23%) 0·0005 Intravenous immunoglobin 46 (24%) 36 (67%) 10 (7%) <0·0001 High-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy 41 (21%) 33 (61%) 8 (6%) <0·0001 Non-invasive mechanical ventilation 26 (14%) 24 (44%) 2 (1%) <0·0001 Invasive mechanical ventilation 32 (17%) 31 (57%) 1 (1%) <0·0001 ECMO 3 (2%) 3 (6%) 0 0·0054 Renal replacement therapy 10 (5%) 10 (19%) 0 <0·0001 Outcomes Sepsis 112 (59%) 54 (100%) 58 (42%) <0·0001 Respiratory failure 103 (54%) 53 (98%) 50 (36%) <0·0001 ARDS 59 (31%) 50 (93%) 9 (7%) <0·0001 Heart failure 44 (23%) 28 (52%) 16 (12%) <0·0001 Septic shock 38 (20%) 38 (70%) 0 <0·0001 Coagulopathy 37 (19%) 27 (50%) 10 (7%) <0·0001 Acute cardiac injury 33 (17%) 32 (59%) 1 (1%) <0·0001 Acute kidney injury 28 (15%) 27 (50%) 1 (1%) <0·0001 Secondary infection 28 (15%) 27 (50%) 1 (1%) <0·0001 Hypoproteinaemia 22 (12%) 20 (37%) 2 (1%) <0·0001 Acidosis 17 (9%) 16 (30%) 1 (1%) <0·0001 ICU admission 50 (26%) 39 (72%) 11 (8%) <0·0001 ICU length of stay, days 8·0 (4·0–12·0) 8·0 (4·0–12·0) 7·0 (2·0–9·0) 0·41 Hospital length of stay, days 11·0 (7·0–14·0) 7·5 (5·0–11·0) 12·0 (9·0–15·0) <0·0001 Time from illness onset to fever, days 1·0 (1·0–1·0) 1·0 (1·0–1·0) 1·0 (1·0–1·0) 0·16 Time from illness onset to cough, days 1·0 (1·0–3·0) 1·0 (1·0–1·0) 1·0 (1·0–4·0) 0·30 Time from illness onset to dyspnoea, days 7·0 (4·0–9·0) 7·0 (4·0–10·0) 7·0 (4·0–9·0) 0·51 Time from illness onset to sepsis, days 9·0 (7·0–13·0) 10·0 (7·0–14·0) 9·0 (7·0–12·0) 0·22 Time from illness onset to ARDS, days 12·0 (8·0–15·0) 12·0 (8·0–15·0) 10·0 (8·0–13·0) 0·65 Time from illness onset to ICU admission, days 12·0 (8·0–15·0) 12·0 (8·0–15·0) 11·5 (8·0–14·0) 0·88 Time from illness onset to corticosteroids treatment, days 12·0 (10·0–16·0) 13·0 (10·0–17·0) 12·0 (10·0–15·0) 0·55 Time from illness onset to death or discharge, days 21·0 (17·0–25·0) 18·5 (15·0–22·0) 22·0 (18·0–25·0) 0·0003 Duration of viral shedding after COVID-19 onset, days 20·0 (16·0–23·0) 18·5 (15·0–22·0)
20·0 (17·0–24·0) 0·024
1.2% is terrible compared to just about anything we’re familiar with these days. Here’s what I’m having trouble with, in terms of math though.
If, as we’re told by the so-called experts that the average victim will infect somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5 people, there should be hundreds of thousands, if not millions more cases out there. And if it has a CFR of even 1.2%, there would already have been many more deaths than we’ve seen.
That doesn’t change the fact that this CCP Virus is much more deadly than the seasonal flu; both things can be true at the same time.
Actually, in the USA, we do not know that.
The first case of COVID-19 in the USA was documented on 21 January 2020 (just 10 miles from my apartment - so, I definitely have a betting interest on the outcome).
We need to compare the first nine week “arc” of COVID-19 data to the first nine week arc of seasonal influenza data, which begins around 01 October every year.
That is not really possible, for two important reasons.
(1) Testing for the viruses has not been equivalent, in quantity or in geographic location.
(2) The death toll from seasonal influenza is not determined until many months AFTER the season ends, and it is determined by mathematical models, not by actual hard data. For instance, in the weekly CDC influenza report, flu deaths are combined with 100% of pneumonia deaths.
Bottom Line - the number of deaths from influenza and COVID-19 is almost ALWAYS a judgment call. Did a person die because of COVID-19, or because of pneumonia caused by COVID-19, or because of another underlying disease that was aggravated by COVID-19?
My own guess - anyone who dies with the COVID-19 virus in his blood is being labeled a COVID-19 death, regardless of other health considerations.
Truth is this virus may have different symptoms than the flu BUT it is not deadlier than the flu!! This year we had 50,000 deaths from the flu AND we have flu vaccinations but people don’t take them!! The hospitals are completely overwhelmed because the damn MSM has had nothing but wall to wall doomsday coverage of this making everyone in the damn country run to the hospital the minute they have a sniffle!! The media is completely responsible for what the hell is happening in our hospitals!!!
NO ONE knows how many cases China had because they are a lying communist country!!! GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK!!!
I forgot to respond to your comment about infection rate.
Here in Washington state, the secondary infection rate - people with known exposure, travel history, or obvious symptoms - is only 7%.
It has been in that range for almost the last three weeks.
Influenza has a 30%-40% secondary infection rate.
Bottom Line - COVID-19 is NOT more infectious than seasonal influenza.
Didn’t want to re-open the flubro/Fearper wars. Just to be clear, I agree that the numbers that are being passed around just don’t add up. Something, probably several somethings, are really fishy and things like the basic reproduction rate are simply wild guesses by the experts at this point.
But as to how deadly this virus is, we’re going to find out pretty soon which side was more right. I really hope that it’s the optimists.
Peace!
The number of cases in the internal Third World imported at the behest of the Democrats vs. the number of cases among native-born citizens should be explored - but won’t.
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