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Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. to Build Advanced Chip Factory in Arizona…
Conservative Treehouse ^ | 14 May 2020 | Sundance

Posted on 05/14/2020 6:02:29 PM PDT by Candor7

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To: Paladin2

Among other things, there is the fact that chip foundries create chips from silica. Silica is refined/extracted from sand.

What does Arizona have an awful lot of?

The business climate has a lot to do with it too.


21 posted on 05/14/2020 6:43:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

What ever happened to those guys in I-da-ho [Micron?]


22 posted on 05/14/2020 6:44:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bakkentom

Due to a lot of brain drain and stupid decisions in the last couple decades, most commodity chips are not designed in the US but elsewhere. There are consequences when your universities are churning out mostly people with gender studies and underwater basket weaving degrees.


23 posted on 05/14/2020 6:45:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Paladin2

Micron’s still around and doing reasonably well. They’ve had some struggles in the last decade or so and no longer are able to produce all their products in North America - they’ve had to take some production to China to remain cost competitive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micron_Technology


24 posted on 05/14/2020 6:48:16 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The exodus from silicon valley started to AZ and NM. There is existing talent there with process engineers and technicians. Probably their universities have good eng programs.

Defense and aerospace contractors are big in AZ too.


25 posted on 05/14/2020 6:50:07 PM PDT by bakkentom
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To: bakkentom

Yes, but there’s not really enough to keep ahead of foreign competition in many cases. Lots of those engineers are older and not necessarily as creative as they formerly were.

Go look at the in house competition between Intel design departments that resulted in the Core-i line of processors. The US department designs were clearly inferior in each round of competition until Intel gave up and just let their Israeli studio deal with it. Also see what happened to Motorola/Freescale towards the end of their PowerPC production - same basic kind of thing, no new blood and the old engineers wouldn’t get radical.


26 posted on 05/14/2020 6:54:08 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bakkentom

Case in point: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/made-in-israel-intel-launches-most-powerful-processor-yet-587698


27 posted on 05/14/2020 6:55:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Candor7

C’mon AMD/Radeon, start building here. The only Team Red I support.


28 posted on 05/14/2020 6:56:53 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Candor7; All

Why don’t we just offer to move all the Taiwanese and their factories here....many of them already speak some English....China can have the Island...we’ll get the tech and the Taiwanese people.....I’m being facetious of course...but Taiwanese corporations may need to consider a safe haven for their businesses and factories and their workers should China continue to speak aggressively about invading the Island. America might just be that backstop needed.


29 posted on 05/14/2020 7:00:07 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Zathras

Taiwan has plants in ChiCom land.


30 posted on 05/14/2020 7:02:23 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Candor7
Thkis move is a direct result of President Trump playing the economic long-game with an assembly of interests… one result within a much bigger picture.

That's my President.

31 posted on 05/14/2020 7:03:07 PM PDT by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: Candor7

We need to stop sourcing important materials and products to China.

It’s disgusting.

Ultimately, the most important stuff - food / health / security - needs to be sourced entirely domestically.

En route to that point, getting stuff out of the hands of China is a good start.

There are a lot of better countries to work with.


32 posted on 05/14/2020 7:04:18 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: Candor7

Apple’s investment in Texas is on the margins (Mac Pro). A $10,000,000,000 chip facility for 5nm production is a big thing. Yay! Arizona!


33 posted on 05/14/2020 7:04:23 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Spktyr

“In February 2019, the first microSD card with a storage capacity of 1 terabyte (TB) was announced by Micron.”

That’s pretty impressive.


34 posted on 05/14/2020 7:08:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: McCarthysGhost
Wait, are they liberal like most Asians

What are you talking about?

35 posted on 05/14/2020 7:09:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Paladin2
Is climate a strong factor in building and operating same?

Arizona has room, proximity to business-hostile California and the important west coast for exports. A big league airport. Mature infrastructure near Phoenix (and Tucson to a much lesser degree). Arizona has a big league city (Phoenix). Some concern about water and power demands.
36 posted on 05/14/2020 7:09:52 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Spktyr

I’m one of those 580 million enthusiasts. :)


37 posted on 05/14/2020 7:13:47 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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38 posted on 05/14/2020 7:18:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Spktyr

Thx for article. Intel does production in Israel as well, despite Iran missiles.

May not take much to get them to source production fabs in AZ, NM, and Tx. Can get all the sand for polysilicon wafers easily but may need a pipeline for fresh water from processed Baja or Pacific water.


39 posted on 05/14/2020 7:25:56 PM PDT by bakkentom
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To: Dr. Sivana

Not so marginal. Apple’s always had quite a lot of investment in Texas, a large campus in Austin since IIRC the 80s. They used to have a computer plant in Carrollton outside Dallas through the 1980s until the local neanderthal bible thumpers (as opposed to intelligent bible thumpers) screamed about how Apple employee health care plans allowed coverage of an unmarried partner (as they put it, “Living in sin with a woman”) and started making Carrollton very hostile to Apple. At the next opportunity they had, Apple axed the plant.

Remember kids, the enticements of China aren’t the only reason why industry leaves the US. Local idiots play a part too.


40 posted on 05/14/2020 7:31:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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