Skip to comments.Do We Even Need a Shot Now? COVID-19 Is Vanishing So Quickly in the UK that Their Vaccine Test Might Be Useless
Posted on 05/25/2020 9:39:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Well, North Carolina’s COVID death toll has been slashed big league. Florida was supposed to be awash with new bodies. That prediction, which was infused with a ghoulish sense of glee from liberal media folks, was made eight weeks ago. It has not happened. The curve has been flattened, deaths are dropping, and the hospitalizations have stabilized. The health care system has pressure on it, but that’s no longer the case. It’s time to re-open. The initial intent of the lockdowns was to flatten the curve. It’s been flattened. Now, to no one’s surprise, the Democrats in charge of states and localities hard hit by the initial wave of the coronavirus want people to stay inside. As this is happening, scores of businesses have suffered or closed. Millions are out of work.
Green line is tests. Red line is positives.
Moreover, there was *never* a major COVID-19 problem in DC. pic.twitter.com/fctxqbYkMd— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) May 24, 2020
Ignore the bogus fear propaganda in the media. According to DC's own COVID-19 data, COVID patients are taking up 323 of 3,928 available hospital beds in DC's healthcare system. That's 8 percent (!) of total capacity. Significantly lower than flu season.https://t.co/CwC4oiOdmR— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) May 25, 2020
For the vast majority of the country, phase one of re-opening can occur. In fact, that’s most of the country by now, even New York City. Yet, for a bit, there was talk of normal life returning when a vaccine was developed. Common sense, yes—but news out of the United Kingdom shows that this virus is fading so fast that developers might not be able to produce a successful vaccine. I guess some can be worried that no vaccine can possibly be developed for COVID, but is it really devastating news when the cause is because the pathogen is—for lack of a better term—dying out? (via Sydney Morning Herald) [emphasis mine]:
The virus is fading so fast that pharma companies are considering scrapping vaccine trials.
The only thing stopping us from going back to pre-COVID days are politicians, "public health experts," and a fear mongering media.https://t.co/Osaf5L0iNv— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) May 24, 2020
This follows a TV appearance by the infamous Scott Gottlieb admitting Pfizer (he's a Pfizer board member) may have to shelve vaccine trials due to lack of virus prevalence.
A tragedy for Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and those they have on the payroll, but good news for humanity.— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) May 24, 2020
An Oxford University vaccine trial has only a 50 per cent chance of success because coronavirus is fading so rapidly in Britain, a project co-leader has warned.
The warning comes as new data reveals that there are now 224 vaccines in development around the world - almost double the total of just a month ago.
Professor Adrian Hill said an upcoming Oxford vaccine trial, involving 10,000 volunteers, threatened to return "no result" because of low transmission of COVID-19 in the community.
The eyes of the nation — and perhaps the world — are firmly on Hill and his team at Oxford University.
This week, pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca announced a $US1.2 billion deal with the United States to produce 400 million doses of an unproven coronavirus vaccine first produced in Hill's small Oxford lab. The British government has agreed to pay for up to 100 million doses, announcing that 30 million might be ready for British citizens as soon as September.
"It is a race, yes. But it's not a race against the other guys. It's a race against the virus disappearing, and against time," he said. "At the moment, there's a 50 per cent chance that we get no result at all."
Hill said that of 10,000 people recruited to test the vaccine in the coming weeks — some of whom will be given a placebo — he expected fewer than 50 people to catch the virus. If fewer than 20 test positive, then the results might be useless, he warned.
"We're in the bizarre position of wanting COVID to stay, at least for a little while. But cases are declining."
Another sign that leaders overreacted to this pandemic. And yes, I was one who did go overboard. It looks like that with every passing day. Hey, remember when President Trump said this thing would go away. Well, it's going away. Fast enough that it could render some vaccine trials useless. We want this thing to go away, but now we need to keep it around for a successful vaccine test. We're in crazy town. Some of you have noted from the beginning that we were on this trajectory.
As of now, how can one argue that we're not flying blind? On top of this, we have this face mask debate. It's gone from wear one to you don't need to, and now you should, but you can create one with a t-shirt. And after all that, it's not mandatory in some states which undercut the reasoning to ever think about face masks. The virus spreads on surfaces they said, but now actually maybe not as easily (via CBS News):
The Centers for Disease Control updated its guidance earlier this month to emphasize the coronavirus does not spread easily on surfaces, focusing more on human-to-human transmission. And new planning documents from the CDC contain more of its estimates about the transmission of the virus.
Touching surfaces and objects is now listed under the heading, "The virus does not spread easily in other ways" on the CDC web page.
Earlier, "Contaminated surfaces and objects" had appeared on the web page as a separate heading — just as "Person-to-person spread" does —even though the CDC does not believe that the virus spreads easily from surfaces and objects.
Either way, it’s time to re-open, even if a supposed second wave hits—keep it open.
H/T Jordan Schactnel
This is my last post in a similar earlier thread,seems to belong right here.
Covid 19 vaccine shipped 02/25/2020 by Moderna Therapeutics
WOW! A Bill Gates supported company developed this vaccine even before the pandemic really got started!
And it’s testing started on 03/17/2020:
And here are the results!
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the NIH, is funding the trial. The vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and was developed by NIAID, and Moderna, Inc., a Cambridge, Massachusetts-based biotechnology company.
“Finding a safe and effective vaccine to prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2 is an urgent public health priority,” NIAID Director Anthony Fauci said. “This Phase 1 study, launched in record speed, is an important first step toward achieving that goal.”
And on 03/21/2020 we learn a little more:
(and this one is really important)
WOW AGAIN! Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci at their very best!
Now try this on for size:
1. In late 2019 a new corona virus appeared in Wuhan China, and hidden from public view at the time by China government. Actual origin not yet proved in public, but following links are pertinent:
2. Covid-19 first appeared in the USA in late January. Trump was informed of this new virus and its potential to become a pandemic. He banned travel into the US from China and got strong objections from Congress, along with assurances from CDC and NIH (Dr. Anthony Fauci) that this was no big deal and worry was not justified.
3. A national emergency was declared by President Trump on March 13. President Trump was strongly criticized for overreaction.
Reliable tests for the virus were not generally available but vaccine testing was already starting. The CDC Contact Tracing strategy was already in place but no significant testing available to be traced.
4. By April 11, the federal government approved disaster declarations for all states. Now President Trump was strongly criticized for being too late.
CDC guidelines and worldometer statistics provided by the CDC emphasized forcefully and consistently Case Fatality Rates and labeled them Death Rates which is deliberately misleading (explained be me many times before in several different forums).
This has been pure FEAR MONGERING at best. Actual population Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) is a few orders of magnitude lower (because cases is usually a tiny percentage of infections.
My opinion is that the real purpose of all this fear mongering is simply convince the public that this Covid19 epidemic is really an extremely dangerous pandemic and giving up our liberty is justified to prevent something worse than the Spanish Flu in 1917 with 50 million deaths.
The government motivation of course is to rapidly establish massive increases in the power of the political bureaucracy (DEEP STATE SWAMP).
The urgency is that it must be accomplished before President Trump is re-elected in November.
Thats not a camels nose under our tent. Its actually something much larger and much more dangerous!
Seriously, I heard someone say the other day, "It's not about rights anymore, it's about survival."
End The Scaredemic!
-—”Seriously, I heard someone say the other day, “It’s not about rights anymore, it’s about survival.”-—
Heck, you could have read the same thing right here on FR!
“and giving up our liberty is justified....”
Another attempt at the insurance-banking millstone BodyMortgage Unaffordable UnCare Act.
Yeah we do. This is the third edition of a variant of this virus and the reason we have a jump start on the vaccines is because these are the older vaccines that were part way through trials when SARS or MERS went poof. It will be back, so get er done this time please. Many of us will take our shots, and hopefully well have immunity the next time China lies and people die.
Yesterdays test positives in Michigan were four and a half percent of all tests. Total hospitalizations in the state under 1000. And yet frau Gretchen continues the lockdown.
We’ll ALL have to make our OWN choices about just HOW
we acquire our immunity... Taking away that choice brings
the 2nd Amendment into play.
After reading through those Links the OP and Grandpa Drudge
has been providing, I’m not going to be too quick about
choosing the vaccine method any more.
No, Not Too Quick At ALL!
Especially if Bill Gates or Anthony Fauci have
ANYTHING at ALL to do with the vaccine in question.
It behooves all of us to learn a bit about just HOW
our immune systems work. And how EACH vaccine you may be
offered or considering, was made, and exactly what it contains.
There are moral issues with some of them, as well.
Personally, I’m old school. We kids from my generation
accidentally, or otherwise ;-), ingested plenty of
dirt and mud.
Add an occasional stroll through a casino,
for the atmosphere, and my immune system is in fighting
trim! (Like any of our other components, they function
BEST with a little exercise!)
Except for the Super Nasties,
which this isn’t,
our bodies are WELL equipped!
But you do you.
I also hope we decouple from China despite their ambassadors great and abiding concern that we might hurt ourselves in so doing (though his concern is touching) /sarc.
I would consider getting a vaccine IF it was in no way related to Gates or Fauci or the Chinese...
Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates. Anthony Fauci, Anthony Fauci, Anthony Fauci, Anthony Fauci. Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates.
Bill Gates. Fauci.
Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Cats and dogs living together. Aliens. Elvis, twinkies.
Really interesting numbers in there. Thanks for sharing!
Well, let me tell you about the really old school, back in the 1930s where I started.
Usually by about 5th grade in school, if we hadn’t already had measles, chickenpox, or mumps, we would search out the appropriate friends and organize measles parties, mumps parties, and chickenpox parties to ensure we developed the immunity while we were young and strong.
If the Covid-19 pandemic was really a deadly as the fear mongers insist, you would think the total deaths each week in the USA would be significantly higher than in previous years. You don’t really need ANY covid-19 data to measure that.
This chart from the CDC displays (among other things) the total deaths from all causes for each week compared to the three year average of total deaths from all causes for each week in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/16/2020.
Take a good look at the columns, especially the Percent of expected deaths (the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 20172019.)
Click the little blue up/down arrow in the label to sort that column. You will then see when the increased deaths from this pandemic (or something) began and ended.
Specifically, it STARTED the week ending 3/28/2020 and ENDED the week ending 5/02/2020. All weeks before that period and after that period are LOWER than the average of 2017 to 2019.
Let me say that again: This Covid-19 EPIDEMIC (”Pandemic”) resulted in a higher than normal total USA deaths starting on March 21, 2020 and ending on May 02, 2020. That’s six weeks and done, folks.
We have had lower than average total deaths in the USA since May 02, according this chart.
This pandemic is now under control.
END the LOCK-DOWN!
Table 2. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by jurisdiction of occurrence, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/16/2020 is even more interesting.
Sort the Percent of expected deaths to display which states had the worst impacts from this pandemic.
Ill leave it to all of you to analyze those results.
And now the important issue is not whether the shutdown was justified in the beginning, but that it must be ended now.
And the next effort must be to recover from the severe damage this lock down has done to our country.
A lot of issues must be addressed to accomplish that.
1. End the tyranny of the arrogant politicians at all levels exercising petty, unnecessary, ineffective or arbitrary limitations on our liberty.
2. Halt the unbridled growth of unelected but extremely powerful regulators, especially those who failed in their missions to properly prepare this pandemic. Specifically, HHS, NIH, CDC, and FDA all enjoy and are influenced far too much through hidden political and financial connections to the medical, pharmaceutical, and food industries.
3. Specifically examine the published CDC strategy (currently disguised as Contact Tracing) but is in reality a huge effort aimed at vaccination tracking and enforcement. Not only is this potentially an unconstitutional violation of liberty, it proposes a need for 300,000 additional administrators (enforcers).
Yesterday CT was 0.053 positive out of all the tests, and has been in that range from several weeks.
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