Posted on 07/14/2020 8:16:16 AM PDT by KC Burke
Navy Pentagon brass are notorious for their hubris and stupidity.
So unless that’s fixed only low rank will get the punishment butt he same crap will continue to effect the rest of the fleet until the brass is replaced with war fighters and not social experimenters. Thanks Bush/Obama
“Very low quality leadership and training happening in our Navy.”
It’s not just the Navy.
I got the following this morning from a friend who is retired senior enlisted Navy with ties to the vessel and crew. I think it’s pretty important. If an admin wants to post it separately and in the sidebar, please do. I’m a low-tech old geezer.
“...In case anyone is thinking about it-there is NO OFFICIAL gofundme account for the ship or crew. 100% scams. Relief will be coordinated locally through the Navy Marine Corps Relief Society and local commands. They have already collected a ton of clothing and toiletries for the crew that lost everything.”
https://action.nmcrs.org/page/contribute/uss-bonhomme-richard-disaster-fund-drive
Good point. Examples are found all over in the Army, USMC, and USAF.
Don't you just hate when that happens?
I have seen sub-floor CO2 systems replacing Halon but I am not versed in any breathable Halon systems. I’ll have to research.
Look up Halon 1301 — my experience took place back in 1984 so it’s been a few years but I do remember that it was Halon and it was safe. Cheers!
I used to test-run jet engines - they permanently deactivated the Halon system and went with a water deluge system instead. Much less deadly.
The area where the fire Is said to have started is a huge combined area, including the well deck, vehicle ramps and vehicle storage. These areas, like the hangar bay, are protected by an AFFF sprinkler system, not halon. There may be other spaces that were equipped with halon that were involved in the fire. It’s early, and I’m sure more detailed info will emerge eventually.
Allowing storage of tri-walls, trash and other flammables onboard is poor housekeeping and asking for trouble. For those who have have not been through overhaul on a large ship, it’s hard to believe the chaos.
True but can halon be used now; after all personnel are removed from the area?
Can high-power injection of halon be used to stop the fire?
Block off all openings except one to pump halon in and one for the halon to exit. Make sure the exit hole is small so halon builds up.
Or CO2 which would likely be cheaper.
I don’t know how many of my Shipmate Freepers here were Big Deck Sailors like myself, but Shipyard Overhaul and Drydock are complete nightmares.
I helped drydock the ex-Independence Cv-62 in 1994 in Japan and as a trained firefighter, I was always chasing down small fires from arcing and sparking fires and fuel fires. The issues with Bonnie’s Dick was the fact that allot of the metals that she is made of either melt under high temps or produce their own O2! Then there is the sounding materials, wiring, paint lockers and other flammable materials. Then there is the materials brought aboard by contractors that often block watertight doors and bunkers, which would normal be closed once a fire is called away.
From what I understand the fire started in one of the well decks and then went right up the ramp into the Hanger Bay and Island sections.
I pray that President Trump visits Bonnie’s Dick and commits to rebuilding her just like we did with the Forestall and Belknap, if possible because I fear that if this current crop of NAVY Bean Counters have their way, I will be shaving with her in 5 years or she will end up a target at the next RIMPAC Sink-EX.
For those who don’t know, she was in the yards for conversion to the Lighting Carrier Configuration after being replaced by the WASP as the Forward Deployed in Japan. Anything like that a complete rebuild would send the wrong message to the Chicoms that recent had massive fire on one of it rip off WASP-like Heli-Carriers in the yards.
The Mother of one of the female Sailors onboard said in a facebook posting yesterday that all of the Sailors onboard lost personal effects like such as family items, yes computer and cellphone too, but what does that matter? They still are Sailors and we take care of our own no matter what!
No portable fire pumps?
No fire watch? That’s what we did in the old days. Seemed to work okay.
That’s up to you, friend. Some folks will want to donate. The main point here is that gofundme scammers are wanting to take their money, but Navy-Marine Corps Relief is legit. NMCRS has all the credibility they need. If they say the sailors need help, I believe them.
Thanks as always for the first hand insight.
It has to be contained and contained long enough for heated items in the fire to cool and not re-ignite.
Emergency cooling systems for reactor 4 at Chernobyl were off line when it blew up too.
No problem. I know what it was like for me working on big decks and chase both Aircraft, Shipboard and Structural.
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