Skip to comments.Scott Atlas Battles Devilís Advocate Sandra Smith on Why Schools Must Open
Posted on 07/15/2020 7:10:39 PM PDT by Jane Long
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His interview, with FoxNews' Sandra Smith, that Rush refers to is linked at this tweet...
LISTEN: "There's no rational reason or science to say that children transmit the disease significantly" - @SWAtlasHoover explains why reopening schools is necessary for children #nine2noon pic.twitter.com/v1PTHBnE8Y— America's Newsroom (@AmericaNewsroom) July 15, 2020
Except the schools are pretty useless unless you want your kid to learn that the US is a bad, racist country and that there are umpteen genders.
Agree....but, what is your alternative...for now, for getting our kids back with their peers...and, back in a classroom/socializing/education setting?
Thank you JL. Rush transcript (Rush permits the entirety of his transcripts):
Scott Atlas Battles Devils Advocate Sandra Smith on Why Schools Must Open
Jul 15, 2020
RUSH: Raging argument in America over whether or not to send our kids back to school. Do you realize how ridiculous this is? We have never, even during the Spanish flu pandemic, we have never done what we are doing now, and we have certainly never been governed by fear. And we now have an entire political party that wants this country shut down as much as it can be economically, educationally, you name it. It is obscene.
And they are doing this for one reason they cant find a way to either defeat or get rid of Donald Trump. And so your kids and you and your job and this economy are going to be made to pay the price for you voting for the guy and for you continuing to support him.
Its like Trump comes along, has a slogan, Make America Great Again. That is controversial? Sending our kids back to school is controversial when all of the data suggests it might be the safest place for them. There are studies like this from all over the world. A German study finds no evidence coronavirus spreads in schools. The largest study carried out on schoolchildren and teachers in Germany found traces of the virus in fewer than 1% of students and teachers.
Scientists from Dresden Technical University said children may act as a brake on the chain of infection. Professor Reinhard Berner, the head of pediatric medicine at Dresden University Hospital, the leader of the study, said the results suggested the virus does not spread easily in schools. He said its rather the opposite in a press conference. Children act more as a brake on infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on. This means the majority of school children do not get infected themselves, despite an infection in the household.
As I say, this German study is just one of countless studies. So today on Fox Scott Atlas, Hoover Institute senior fellow. Hes brilliant. He is conservative. He is fearless. He is a scholar. He is a literal, genuine expert on this data, the COVID-19 data and sending kids back to school. Hes actually becoming omnipresent out there. Hes showing up in a lot of places because hes irrefutable. You can play devils advocate with him all day long and you will not get him to change his mind, you will not intimidate him because hes got the facts on his side.
So he appeared today with Sandra Smith who did a good job of playing devils advocate with him. And you could tell that in some of the stuff that she was saying she wasnt quite sure that this guy had it all together, which makes these sound bites even better. So here we have Sandra Smith leading off with Scott Atlas on the whole idea of sending kids back to school.
SMITH: To be clear, while you are saying how important it is to get kids back into school and do so safely, you are encouraging that CDC guidance be followed, that theres mask wearing, social distancing, and all of the precautions that theyre recommending?
ATLAS: Not for children. That would be irrational. It doesnt matter if children get the disease. They dont get sick from this. And the data shows that they do not significantly transmit to adults. And this is data.
SMITH: Isnt it the point to stop the spread and, sorry, dont mean to cut you off. But, I mean, the science shows that mask wearing stops the spread of the disease. And dont we have a collective duty in this country to stop the spread?
ATLAS: You either believe in the science or you say you believe in the science and act contrary to science. The science says and this is data from Iceland, Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands, France, the U.K., Australia, Canada, Ireland, everywhere in the world, Germany, everywhere in the western world has shown that children do not transmit significantly to adults, even their own parents, and that teachers are not at higher risk of getting a disease like this disease from children. You either believe the science or not. You cant insist you believe in the science and then act contrary to science. And, by the way, like I said, we are the only country not opening schools. This is absurd.
RUSH: All of that is irrefutable. Were the only country in the western world not opening the schools. Why is that? Its November 3rd. Its Donald Trump. Its the fact that your Democrat Party cant come up with a way of getting rid of him. Theyre not even confident they can beat him in an election. So youre gonna pay the price. But you notice back early in the bite she said, But, but, but wait. Isnt the point to stop the spread? Im sorry, dont mean to cut you off, but, I mean, the science shows that mask wearing stops -
Do you know that if youre healthy, that if you dont have the virus and youre not in a high risk group, wearing the mask may not be the smartest thing you could do? The mask may trap other things that you need to get out of your body as you exhale. But the mask is not universally mandated for everybody. And this, of course, is also related to science.
But hes as clear as a bell as he can be. You either believe in the science or you say you believe in it and then you dont contact on it. And he cites all of these western civilization countries where they have done the research and they have found that kids dont spread the disease, that teachers are not getting the disease in significant numbers at all. Its infinitesimal. Kids are not even spreading the disease to their own parents.
And hes frustrated here because the science is what it is. And people who claim that they believe the science still want to act outside the parameters of science. Isnt the point to stop the spread? Is that the point? Can we stop the spread? Thats another question. But is it safe to send kids back to school? Yeah.
Now, next bite, Sandra Smith continues to play devils advocate and Im glad she did because she drew him out. She refused to accept, continue to play devils advocate, continued to challenge what he was saying, and this is how it sounded.
ATLAS: I believe that there is zero reason in fact, zero excuse
RUSH: Wait a minute, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who. Stop it. Put it back to the top. I thought her question was on the bite. Its not. The question she asked him, is, The president says that politics is at play in keeping children from home. Do you believe that?
ATLAS: I believe that there is zero reason, in fact, zero excuse to not have the schools open in person. The Hospital for Sick kids [Children] in Toronto, one of the worlds best hospitals, just delineated this. Schools must be in person, no masks, no spacing, because children are not at risk. If you believe that there should be some kind of restriction on schools
ATLAS: youre not talking about children.
SMITH: Its a fascinating conversation. I dont mean to cut you off but theres so many things to talk about there. There are kids who fall into the high risk category. There are kids with asthma. How do you protect them?
ATLAS: Well, of course. There is a small minority of children that are at high risk, and those kids need to be protected. Thats always true. Seasonal influenza is more risky for children, more than COVID-19. Seasonal influenza is transmitted from children to the high risk adults who are teachers every year. Seasonal influenza in California, the percent of deaths in children was 5.4%. Zero kids have died from COVID-19. If teachers think that they cant work during this, then they absolutely must say that we have to close schools from November through April.
RUSH: Again, I think this contains routine profundities. So she brings up, well, what about kids with asthma? Well, of course theres always gonna be exceptions to everything. And you adapt and you accounted for them, but you dont take the 1 percent of kids with asthma and say no kids can go back to school, which is how were dealing with this. If theres one imperfection, if theres 1% of imperfection, we gotta shut everything down for everybody here. Because we cant live with the risk, which is cockeyed.
Life is a risk. You adapt. Everything is a risk. Were trying to set up some-risk-free culture in the middle of a pandemic? It isnt possible. But, Rush, but, Rush, it remains a lofty goal. No, it doesnt. Its not realistic. And we are paralyzing ourselves. Were punishing ourselves with these irrational demands. Seasonal influenza more risky for children than COVID-19. Zero kids have died from COVID-19. And yet we cant reopen the schools. Its Trump not caring whether kids live or die.
See, this is another thing. Whenever the children end up being involved, the Democrats think they own it because Republicans starve kids, dont care about kids, all this other happy malarkey. So we got two more bites here, and in this bite they play a clip from Redfield where Sandra Smith asks Scott Atlas, who is the guest here from the Hoover Institute, to react to it.
SMITH: What we dont know is how this is gonna interact with the flu season, and thats what Dr. Redfield is warning. Listen to him and Ill get your thoughts on the other side. Listen.
REDFIELD: I do think the fall and the winter of 2020 and 2021 are gonna be probably one of the most difficult times that weve experienced in American public health because of what you said, the co-occurrence of COVID and influenza.
SMITH: So, Dr. Atlas, how do you respond to that? We dont know what an entire flu season looks like combined with COVID-19. Theres so much that we still dont know about this disease and the spread of the disease. Doesnt that concern you putting all these kids back into the classroom together?
ATLAS: I find it bizarre. We dont know everything about any single disease. We know a massive amount. It is proven that children have no significant risk. It is proven that influenza is worse than this for children. It is proven that children dont transmit significantly to adults. Thats proven. Why do we keep saying, but we dont know X?
RUSH: Great question. We dont know. We do know. Were just in denial. But hes exactly right about the flu. The flu sends hundreds of thousands of people to the hospital. It sends tens of thousands of people to the grave every year. And theres no such thing as anything like this fear about it.
Now, I realize that there have been years and years and years of the flu doing what it does. Weve had time to adjust to it. We also think we have flu vaccines. And we dont. You go out and get a flu shot, but you dont have a vaccine. I mean, theres nothing that you can do to guarantee youre not gonna get the flu. Thats what a vaccine does. We have a polio vaccine. And we have some other vaccines. But vaccines for viruses are routinely rare, I mean, its very difficult to come up with them.
But we know that the flu kills a lot of people. And we still keep the schools open. And we know that kids who get the flu can infect anybody and that teachers who get the flu can infect anybody. And we also know that kids do not pass on COVID-19. They barely get it themselves. And yet we are willing to open the schools when the ravages of the flu hit. But we cannot open the schools during COVID-19 because we dont know This is not who we are. And I say that in the context of we are not a nation of people afraid to take risks. We are not a nation of people that lives in constant fear, unnecessarily. But that is exactly whats happening.
As I said yesterday, its almost generation-wide among Millennials. Of course, there are exceptions, but its almost allowing people to stop living their lives. Its allowing people to have an excuse for not amounting to anything. Its allowing people an excuse not to have to work or work hard because the virus has made us all victims. And when you achieve victim status, A, the Democrat Party loves you because you are essentially saying that you are powerless, you cant do anything, you cannot overcome it, you cant do it yourself.
When you are a victim, nothing is your fault. When youre a victim, you dont have to do anything because you cant succeed. Nobody expects you to. When youre a victim, the deck is so stacked against you that you have a built-in reason to live your life in perpetual fear. And this is whats happening generation-wide. One more sound bite. She, in this bite literally well, not literally, but she really says, would you please listen more closely to Dr. Fauci.
SMITH: Were at the mercy of the medical experts that are obviously advising the president, advising the top levels of our government on all of this, Dr. Atlas. Dr. Anthony Fauci is being taken on by the presidents own economic adviser in this new piece published in USA Today. Are you saying that Dr. Faucis advice, are you disregarding what were hearing from those top medical experts advising the president?
SMITH: Im saying look at the science. Im saying use critical thinking and logic. Certain things are known. If you dont believe in the science, then stop saying you believe in the science. The science says open the schools. The science says theres no risk to children. The science says teachers are not at risk if they go to school. Listen. Either schools are an essential business in this country or theyre not. I dont understand why people dont take into account the severe harms of not having schools. Isnt that what public policy is all about, to weigh what youre doing, not just stopping COVID-19 at all costs? If we start acting out of fear and are an outlier in this country, this countrys finished.
RUSH: Yeah, sadly, were close to that.
Thank you for posting the entire transcript.
Here is a list of several other great Dr Scott Atlas threads....he has been speaking out/sounding alarm, for some time...
Dr. Scott Atlas of Hoover Institute at Stanford: Coronavirus surges linked mostly to protests — and proximity to US-Mexico border
The Doctor Is In: Scott Atlas and the Efficacy of Lockdowns, Social Distancing, and Closings
Dr. Scott Atlas: The coronavirus cure is now worse than the disease
Stanford University Dr. Scott Atlas: Virus Panic Induced By Overestimation Of Fatality Rate Of Infected
Thanks JL for the Scott Atlas references. I kicked your thread into Front Page and Extended News. I hope it sticks with the mods.
This subject deserves the widest attention possible for an informed discussion to generate informed action.
I agree....this subject DOES deserve wide attention and action...for our kids, our families, our communities, etc.
What the left is/is trying to get away with....by shutting down schools, churches, gatherings....IOW, socializing!!...is criminal.
And, it’s all political, as Rush says.
Its all about the teachers unions. They think that refusing to let the teachers go back to school, or imposing insane requirements to do so (face shields and masks, plastic barriers, not allowing children out of the room all day) gives them more power. Which it probably does.
And they keep their teachers, a gullible population, terrified. A young woman I know who has been teaching for about five years, and who I thought was fairly commonsensical in her approach to things, suddenly flipped out last week after the teachers union kept up a barrage of theyre sending us to our deaths messages.
This is beyond insane, has nothing to do with the children, and is entirely motivated by either political or financial interest.
I saw on Fox News last night a woman that claimed that 50% of minority children did NOT participate in online classes. How can that be a good thing?
Heard on the radio yesterday that Europe is going back to school, colleges, WITHOUT the stupid masks!! Said they would not require them for kids in school. WHY the hell is only America going nuts over all this crap?????? CONTROL. POWER OVER US. TOTAL CONTROL OVER EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES!!! THAT is what it is ALL ABOUT. Power and control. We the people become we the sheep, doing what the Powers in Charge TELL us to do and NOT what to do. Welcome to communism America. We fought for 50 years to defend against Red China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Communist Cuba, and their other Eastern European countries, against COMMUNISM!!! Where it has failed everywhere it is been tried. Everywhere. Well, except Red China, and that is because they adopted capitalism to survive AND build up the Red Army. Otherwise they are a solid Communist state of gulags, murder, disappearances never to be seen or heard from again.
It’s the d@mned *Teacher’s* Unions.
Their absurd demands prove that this has NOTHING to do with health OR science, but ONLY about control/power.
All part of The Plan
In one sense, though, there IS an opportunity for parents here, with the school shutdown; if people are concerned what their children are being “taught” at public school... well, now you have them at home, right now, and have a chance to personally UNDUE a lot of the brainwashing.
For instance, you’re sitting there with your kid doing the online courses (or however they’re doing it); you see something in the course that you know is BS; you have a great opportunity to point out to your child that “this is what SOME people think, and it does not necessarily mean it’s true.”
IOW, you can teach your kid how to discern bullsh*t from fact, and think for themselves... which they’re sure as Hell not being taught in the Indoctrination Centers.
It could be a great opportunity to be seized upon.
Whatever increases unemployment.
Someone’s got to stay home with the kids and sacrifice about half the family income.
Dems are totally on board with this, and if all the leftist states keep the schools closed the whole country is hurt badly.
Plus more feral and ignorant children.
Dems must be so thankful for China Flu.
Increase unemployment...make families stress....etc.
All to hurt PDJT re-election chances.
China Flu definitely a gift to the Dems. Almost as if it were planned, or something. :- /
Yes...in one sense, there is an opportunity.
I tend to think that most of those parents are already either homeschooling their kids, or, at least VERY involved in the day to day happenings at school.
It’s the MANY others, though, who are now having NO classes, socializing, etc.
See post # 16 for, what I believe, is the real reason for all of this.
I hadnt realized until now what a lib shill Sandra Smith is.
On a side note, she sure has been chipper since Ed Henry was fired, and has been extra perky with John Roberts filling in.
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