Posted on 08/01/2020 10:27:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
*****You trust this poison? Interesting how you avoided all the other side effects.
Solicited adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site,” the report states. Fever, joint pain and nausea were also reported.
Sounds fun.*****
99.98 recovery rate and they want to track my every purchase, movement like I am a slave. And then to top it off they want to alter my DNA/RNA so they can patent me? I don’t think so.
Ditto that.
Just don't make vaccines mandatory.
“why can’t I drive drunk?”
He’s drunk. He knows it. Whats to misjudge.
Stop digging.
Yes, and some of those things can kill people. Influenza kills about 37,000 Americans each year. SARS-CoV-2 has resulted in over 150,000 American deaths in just a few months. When we're talking about the germs that don't do any significant harm to anyone, no harm no foul. When we're talking about pathogens killing people, we have a moral obligation to take reasonable steps to preserve human life.
"If this DIDN’T happen immune systems would wither and fail."
How? What is the mechanism for which a lack of exposure to germs would weaken macrophages or neutrophils? How would T-cell or B-cell activity be impacted, exactly, by a lack of exposure? There is zero evidence in any medical literature anywhere on Earth anywhere in history to support the notion that the human immune system becomes less capable after some period of limited exposure to germs. None. That's not how it works.
"YOU’VE passed PLENTY on to others over the yesrs and may damn well have “killed” one of them."
Possibly, but I've always taken every reasonable precaution to avoid doing so. I didn't go to work or out in public when sick with the flu or anything else. I've always made an effort to avoid passing illness on to others. And despite those efforts, it's entirely possible I've passed on things to others that got them sick or worse. The point is not that everyone must be perfect; but that everyone has a moral obligation to take reasonable steps to preserve human life from conception to natural death. Reasonable steps; not perfection in all things.
"WT* is so special about this particular bug ever so rarely killing someone verses any other bug? Do we wrap ourselves in a bubble every year now? If not WHY not?"
There is nothing special about this bug; it's just one that's killing a lot of people. If we had another 1918 Influenza bug that was on track to kill a half million people or more, I would also be in favor of the same reasonable steps to avoid spreading it to people who could die from it. Reasonable steps. Not "wrapping ourselves in a bubble every year". If you're ill, don't go out in public. If you're in an indoor public place, put on a mask. If there is a safe and effective vaccine available to you and you don't have a medical reason or rational moral or religious objection to getting it, get it. That doesn't seem crazy to me.
"154 thousand? That ain’t **** even if it were a true count."
At most, roughly 15% of the US population has been infected at this point. Roughly 70% is required for herd immunity. Current deaths are over 154,000. 70/15*154000 = 720,000. That is why President Trump has been pushing so hard to get this vaccine. That is why he's invested billions of taxpayer dollars to get vaccines made and doses available as quickly as possible for Americans: he recognizes the need to save lives. He recognizes his role as a leader. He accepts his responsibility to use the resources of the US Federal government to preserve the lives of the American people. Maybe you should look to President Trump's example. He's a pretty amazing president.
Appreciate your reasoned reply. And your pseudonym is on the mark (pun intended). The Founders had good reason and experience to have the First Amendment followed by the Second.
Those who won’t or can’t get a vaccine because of possible bad reactions can also visit a doc who is into Asian/Indian medicine for advice on how to strengthen their immune system/get herd immunity in the natural way-like smart people used to do before drugs and vaccines-then go to the local vitamin/health food store and get the recommended supplements/remedies, same as we do since we live drug-free-or get the names of the remedies/supplements online and buy them at Swansonsvitamins.com or one of the other natural health sites...
There's a lot to unpack here. Let's start with "99.98% recovery rate". The Infection Fatality rate for SARS-CoV-2 is 0.64 - 0.66%. That means 99.34 - 99.36% survival. Of those who survive, some number (difficult to find an actual statistic right now) have been shown to have significant damage to their heart, lungs, and/or brain, likely due to unusual blood clots and (in the case of the lungs) massive damage to the epithelial tissue, leaving the alveoli exposed for easy infection. At least some of this scarring is likely lifelong. So bring that number down somewhat further.
As for "track my every purchase, movement like I am a slave", I can only guess that's a reference to contact tracing, and that would require a complete misunderstanding of what contact tracing is or how it works. The idea is that if I turn up positive for COVID-19, someone works with me to identify situations where I was recently in close proximity with other people for extended periods where I may have exposed them to my infection. This is completely voluntary. I can then choose to notify those people myself that I've tested positive and they should get tested and/or isolate themselves, or the contact tracer can do it for me - anonymously - if I choose to provide them with contact information.
If you and I had lunch together, and you work at a nursing home or a hospital or you regularly spend time with someone who might die from COVID-19 if they get it (like a friend or family member with medical conditions), you probably would like to know that I tested positive so you don't run around infecting those people. I know that I would rather know if I've been exposed. I have family and friends who I would avoid seeing for a couple weeks if I had reason to believe I was infected because I know they probably wouldn't survive a COVID-19 infection.
Finally, this "alter my DNA/RNA so they can patent me" piece is utter nonsense. That's not how Moderna's vaccine candidate or any third generation mRNA vaccine works. Your DNA is not altered. It isn't touched. How it actually works is that the mRNA instructions find a ribosome in your cells and that ribosome takes the instructions and produces a glycoprotein (completely normal activity for a ribosome) which happens to be the antigen for the target pathogen (SARS-CoV-2 in this case). The antigen by itself is completely harmless, but it's foreign and your body reacts to it the same way it would if it were an actual SARS-CoV-2 infection: by producing antibodies and forming T-cell and B-cell responses that create lasting immunity to future infections.
That's it. Your body simply produces some harmless proteins that get destroyed by your immune system and the benefit is that if SARS-CoV-2 ever infects you, your immune system immediately recognizes it and destroys it. No DNA is changed. No RNA is changed. Nothing like that ever happens.
*****Possibly, but I’ve always taken every reasonable precaution to avoid doing so. I didn’t go to work or out in public when sick with the flu or anything else. I’ve always made an effort to avoid passing illness on to others.*****
Just like I said earlier, lots of jargon, lots of talking points, no real evidence. Aren’t you so wonderful type of stuff.
*****How? What is the mechanism for which a lack of exposure to germs would weaken macrophages or neutrophils? How would T-cell or B-cell activity be impacted, exactly, by a lack of exposure?*****
How about YOU look at it correctly. Exposure is necessary for any type of response. How logical is that. You are a stupid hack.
*****As for “track my every purchase, movement like I am a slave”, I can only guess that’s a reference to contact tracing, and that would require a complete misunderstanding of what contact tracing is or how it works. The idea is that if I turn up positive for COVID-19, someone works with me to identify situations where I was recently in close proximity with other people for extended periods where I may have exposed them to my infection. This is completely voluntary. I can then choose to notify those people myself that I’ve tested positive and they should get tested and/or isolate themselves, or the contact tracer can do it for me - anonymously - if I choose to provide them with contact information.*****
You are obviously a paid shill, all of this covid nonsense is BULL$HIT. You will not cow us assh8le.
You have no evidence to support your incorrect understanding of the human immune system because there is no evidence to support it. You aren't even able to articulate a viable mechanism by which your claim COULD be true. There is no mechanism for macrophages to get weaker. There is no mechanism for neutrophils to get weaker. Neutrophils only live a for a matter of hours after maturation. They have no idea what you have or haven't been exposed to last week or last month or last year.
You have no evidence. You have no argument. All you have is name calling, misinformation, and fearmongering. I'll continue providing accurate information so that people can make informed decisions for themselves and their families. Having correct and easy to understand information in front of you takes the fear out of things and enables people to make rational choices. I enjoy helping with that. If you would prefer to spread fear and misinformation, that is your choice, but I will always correct that misinformation so people know what's true.
For all your profanity and childish name-calling, you’ve not managed to make one sensible point. Maybe you should take a break and calm down a bit so you can have a reasonable discussion if there’s something you disagree with.
****You have no evidence. You have no argument. All you have is name calling, misinformation, and fearmongering.****
Yada yada blada blada. I’ve seen your type come and go. You spout verbage like the wind to seem informed and important,but you are nothing more than a paid mouthpiece. How about you talk to the Front Line Doctors?
The ones here? I have with several of them. We get along just fine and have healthy and respectful discussions together both in posts and in private mails. They're quite helpful and informative and have great perspective on what's happening at ground level in their neck of the woods. I'm quite thankful to have them around.
Hydroxychoroquine and zinc? Whats your prognosis on effectiveness?
Hydroxychloroquine
Uncertain at this time due to a lack of well constructed studies (which is just ludicrous at this point, considering its potential as a great treatment, that it hasn’t been properly evaluated). We do know that there are some instances of heart issues related to its use, so I wouldn’t say it’s wise to provide it as a blanket treatment for everyone across the board, but I think it’s completely worthwhile to try for someone who is in the early stages and has significant risks for COVID-19 related complications.
Best case, it may just save their life. Worst case, it doesn’t help and you move on to other treatment options. And in the meantime, I sincerely hope someone is conducting a well constructed, large, controlled, double blind study on the effectiveness of HQL+zinc+azithromycin so we can get a definitive answer on whether it’s actually effective. There’s no reason why we should be this far along without that information and it’s unconscionable that the studies conducted so far have been so poorly constructed; in some cases so badly that their results were yanked from journals.
I knew you were a paid hack from your first post.
"I think it’s completely worthwhile to try [HQL+zinc+azithromycin] for someone who is in the early stages and has significant risks for COVID-19 related complications." "Best case, it may just save their life. Worst case, it doesn’t help and you move on to other treatment options." -Me
Can you share what exactly you don't agree with there? And how in the world you get from that to me being a "paid hack"? Also, can you let me know where that paycheck is? Every day I check the mail for my hack paycheck, and every day it's just bills and junk mail.
Moderna a uses dead baby parts, how do you ( and them) plan to address Christians with high moral values to buy into your pro vaccine stance? You can read the many Christian websites, the word is out and in my case, my family and I will never take a vaccine hap hazardly thrown together, in panic and fear,....we prefer to put our trust in God, not man.
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