Posted on 04/30/2021 1:07:33 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
He deserves more. From the firing of Michael Flynn, to his office leaking like a sieve for 8 years, to his shutting down objections to certifications, from onsite Senators and Congressmen and certified letters to him from state legislatures Pence has been a good little swamp creature who tolerated the President and his supporters.
I'll be damned if this cretin is going to try and fill President's Trump's shoes.
No, just no.
Only a fool would vote GOP at this point.
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Agree. Its hard to understand how people can be repeatedly deceived and stabbed in the back by a political party and yet continue to vote for it. They are the same type of people evidently who keep buying inferior and defective products. Salesmen love them. So do politicians.
His options were limited and he couldn’t have changed the outcome of the election.
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That may be but given the obviously “problematic” nature of the election in some key swing states he had an obligation IMO to express serious reservations and concerns about the numerous “irregularities”, at a minimum. Tolerating cheating is likely to ensure that there will be more of it.
Leaders are supposed to lead us through difficult situations and show resolve in the face of national challenges. What’s the point of voting for them if they’re just going to turn a blind eye to consequential problems?
Pence has been around for a long time. He knows full well what the Democrats are up to and their long and sordid history of manipulating the outcome of important elections.
Pence is on Team GOP, not the MAGA team.
The only “Republican” who hasn’t stabbed me in the back is Donald J Trump. I changed my party for voting, to unaffiliated after the post-election debacle. I won’t be fooled again. Blatantly lied to every election and then they go off with the liberals... Nope. Not me any more.
The only “Republican” who hasn’t stabbed me in the back is Donald J Trump. I changed my party for voting, to unaffiliated after the post-election debacle. I won’t be fooled again. Blatantly lied to every election and then they go off with the liberals... Nope. Not me any more. Oh, and as long as his name has been mentioned, Mike Pence is Judas.
Yeah, that’s what MAGA supporters are waiting for... Mike Pence to lead us.
The GOP is finished.
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If a new conservative party were to be established the GOP would collapse overnight. Literally. Who would have any reason to support or vote for them?
You have it precisely right.
This is partially true.
About 20% of GOP voters are globalists. Perhaps a bit more.
If the way this goes down is that they leave, and are not replaced, the Left will really be walking in tall cotton.
Your "conservative" party is going to have to do some decidedly "unconservative" things to replace them.
The key to victory is nationalism, not conservatism per se.
If a new America First nationalist party formed they would be replaced 3 fold.
The key to victory is nationalism, not conservatism per se.
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The key to winning is building a team of principled and determined fighters and backing them with a fanatical “fan base” that won’t accept mediocrity. Excellence, commitment and dedication wins; everything else is also rans.
It takes strong and determined armies to win wars. We don’t have that right now and as long as we rely on the GOP we will never have it IMO.
All the issues in the world mean nothing without a force to push them. The Dems know this. They relentlessly fight for what they want. We have a bunch of weak and disingenuous talkers who “represent us”. You simply cannot win at anything with a weak and unfocused bunch of losers.
We need Pattons, not pansies.
I think that is true, and well said, but the idea that Pence could or would by himself just throw out the vote counts and send the matter back to the states is mistaken. He could have said more, and should have, but I don't think he could have done much more beyond let Trump present his case in Congress, something that the Capitol disorders would make impossible in the end.
Pence is on Team GOP, not the MAGA team.
The difference between the two may not be as wide or as deep as you might think. Most of the people Trump had to rely on in the administration were Team GOP -- when they weren't Team Deep State or Team Democrats. Pence wasn't an anti-Trumper or a NeverTrumper, he was a supporter who was put in an impossible position, and while I wouldn't vote for him for president, he doesn't deserve all the abuse he's getting.
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I understand how people may see it that way, and even sympathize with his "predicament". Their expectations of those in power is surprisingly low.
I look at leaders differently. They always cast themselves as bold, bright, and even the best person for the job. They all claim they're there to make the tough decisions for us and won't hesitate to do it. Yet when the time comes most "leaders" (and managers) generally look for a way to avoid doing just that.
(Donald Trump was an obvious exception to the rule. And for the "sin" of being decisive the outsider was run out of Washington mainly because he exposed all the rest of the politicos as liars and charlatans.)
But back to the subject of leaders, the bottom line is that most of them want the position but not the responsibilities and accountability that go along with it.
Like many people who have held demanding jobs, I've been put in "impossible" positions before. I accepted the fact that this was something that goes along with the territory so to speak. That's what they pay you the big bucks for. LOL
In any event, instead of dodging responsibility with excuses, obfuscation, denials or blaming someone else (a favorite tactic amongst the political set) I made difficult choices based on my assessment of the data, probabilities, etc. at hand and hoped for the best. That was my job.
The point is, in my view Pence faced a difficult situation but came up short with respect to his duty to address a corrosively grave problem in a constructive way. It wasn't a question of expecting him to dramatically do something to overturn the results, it was more of a matter of expecting him to speak out about an obvious threat to our republic. Refusing to do that was dereliction of duty, if not a betrayal to those who placed great faith in him.
Pence and his buddies will have to do it minus my support. They are all dead to me.
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