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Americans rank George W. Bush as the president most responsible for the outcome of the Afghanistan war: Insider poll
Businessinsider ^ | 08/17/2021 | Oma Seddiq and John Haltiwanger

Posted on 08/18/2021 6:47:41 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

I’ve been saying, from the beginning, that we should have left after Afghanistan adapted an explicitly Islamic Constitution. How could we , as a nation, justify defending that? The result speak for itself.


41 posted on 08/18/2021 7:49:18 AM PDT by Nateman (If the Left is not screaming , you are doing it wrong.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

GWB can’t avoid responsibility for starting the war — I agree that much. But the guy who gets most of the blame for this debacle was Barack Obama and his brain-dead ‘surge’ wherein he took away the developing ‘light footprint’ approach and shoved a bunch of US troops into Afghanistan with no real mission other than to occupy space (& tick off the locals). Trump was drawing that down but when he reached the ‘irreducible minimum’ his pentagon advisors began to balk at a complete withdrawal. Biden campaigned for finishing Trumps pull-out (on his own timetable) but the results show a complete lack of professionalism among his political & military advisors.

Obama both threw away a ‘win’ in Iraq by essentially handing that country to Iran, he also destroyed any possibility or maintaining a strategic presence in Afghanistan at a reasonable cost. I believe that both of these actions were deliberate.


42 posted on 08/18/2021 7:52:18 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Who is John Galt?

“The new VP must be approved by the Senate, but without Harris to cast a tie-breaking vote, the D@mocrats no longer control the process.”

Did you forget about China Mitch McConnell?


43 posted on 08/18/2021 7:57:54 AM PDT by brownsfan (For conservatives, we have taxation without representation.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

See how they did the polling.

It was Obama/Biden.
Now it’s Biden/Harris.

The poll should have been Obama and Biden, that would have eclipsed everything. They did the poll to prevent Obama and Biden from exceeding the Taliban!


44 posted on 08/18/2021 8:00:04 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: ChicagoConservative27
More Americans blame former President George W. Bush for America's failure in Afghanistan than any other president...

If "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!" is the best CYA spin the D@mocrat-Media Complex can offer, after Dementia Joe's catastrophic withdrawal, then expect Pelosi & Schumer to trot out Cindy Sheehan (if she's still alive) in 3... 2... 1...

;^)

45 posted on 08/18/2021 8:00:29 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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To: brownsfan
Did you forget about China Mitch McConnell?

Not at all; like I said, it would be a "consensus" candidate (ol' Mitch would have his say ;^). And The Dishonest Party prefers complete control (remember Obama Care?). I'm guessing they'll keep Joe in office until he hit's room temperature, no matter how disastrous that is for our country, rather than let The Stupid Party have any say in the process...

46 posted on 08/18/2021 8:10:07 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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To: alexander_busek

Ha Ha, no I mean the special forces who had saddles dropped and worked with the tribes who were impressed with their horsemanship. They were very successful.


47 posted on 08/18/2021 8:14:15 AM PDT by McGavin999 (biden is not my president )
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To: Tallguy; ChicagoConservative27; Impy; Frohickey; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican
>> GWB can’t avoid responsibility for starting the war — I agree that much. But the guy who gets most of the blame for this debacle was Barack Obama... he took away the developing ‘light footprint’ approach and shoved a bunch of US troops into Afghanistan with no real mission other than to occupy space (& tick off the locals). <<

Excellent point. What everyone seems to forget is that 0bama got elected by trashing all of Bush's foreign policy decisions and pledging to end them, then did the OPPOSITE after he got in office and doubled-down on 90% of them.

0bama's mindless cheerleaders will NEVER hold him accountable for that, even though THEY are the ones that should be pissed off more than anyone else that their savior backstabbed them and did all the things they hated Bush for doing.

People routinely bash Bush for campaigning against "nation building" in 2000 and then doing the opposite (ignoring that, gee, maybe 9/11 affected why Bush changed course there) but always seem to "forget" about how the 0bamabots spent Nov. 2008 gloating about how an 0bama presidency meant we'd now have a "humble" presidency that doesn't "bully other countries" and "enforce our will on others".

As for 0bama's direct responsiblity for the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, there's some news story circulating right now (that the mainstream media is burying, of course) about how the 0bama administration did a "prisoner swap" in 2014 and agreed to release some insane Taliban islamofacist leaders from Gitmo (in exchange for American POVs) on the condition that they are sent to Qatar and do not return to Afghanistan. Of course the 0bama administration never followed up on that or enforced that "pledge", and five of them are running the new government in Afghanistan right now.

VERY interesting.

48 posted on 08/18/2021 8:24:03 AM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Mindless propaganda. We were fighting a war with no casualities for 18 months? It wasn't a war after we killed Bin Laden. Going to Afghanistan after 9/11 was completely justified and necessary as was hunting down Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
49 posted on 08/18/2021 9:29:29 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: BillyBoy

There really isn’t a way for the US to enforce “you have to stay in Qatar”. Only Qatar could enforce that, lol.


50 posted on 08/18/2021 11:28:10 AM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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To: brownsfan

Bush couldn’t even get OBL.


51 posted on 08/18/2021 11:30:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

And it’s another reason Bush is the gift that keeps on giving, Biden likely skates away from this scott-free because of him.


52 posted on 08/18/2021 11:31:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why was Kuwait worth saving anyway? Historically it was a province of Iraq.


53 posted on 08/18/2021 11:32:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Impy

Which is why it was a dumb deal for 0bama to make.


54 posted on 08/18/2021 2:16:54 PM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: dfwgator

... back when both were provinces of the Turkish caliphate.

It would be a little like a USA claim on Canada.


55 posted on 08/18/2021 2:34:05 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

But still, Kuwait was just another Islamic country like the rest of them. Stay out of intra-Muslim squabbles.


56 posted on 08/18/2021 2:41:13 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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