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Australian PM Defends Having Some of Strictest Lockdown Measures When Asked 'Do you Think Less Liberty is Medically Necessary'
Townhall ^ | Sep 26, 2021 | Rebecca Downs

Posted on 09/26/2021 3:38:11 PM PDT by george76

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To: naturalman1975

So Morrison has no power, no budget, no army, etc. If he is that powerless, why bother being PM?


21 posted on 09/26/2021 6:22:17 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: george76

I believe PM Morrison said a few weeks ago that he will follow what the NWO tells him on how to handle the China virus lockdowns etc.


22 posted on 09/26/2021 6:56:39 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: MAGAthon

Andrews/Victoria = Left; Berejiklian/New South Wales = Conservative:

27 Sept: news.com.au: Australia Covid news live: Gladys Berejiklian reveals new NSW freedoms
Premier Gladys Berejiklian has delivered a blow to unvaccinated residents while revealing key details about how and when NSW restrictions will ease.
by Ally Foster
Ms Berejiklian confirmed the state is set to hit its 70 per cent vaccination goal on October 11, with the 80 per cent goal due to be reached about two weeks after that.
The following changes will kick in for fully vaccinated residents from the Monday after the 80 per cent milestone is reached...

Ms Berejiklian said a third stage of reopening would occur on December 1, which is when unvaccinated residents will be allowed to join in on the extra freedoms...
“We envisage we will have at least 90 per cent of our adult population vaccinated by then,” Ms Berejiklian said...

Indefinite lockdown for unvaxxed looms
Unvaccinated NSW residents could be living with lockdown restrictions for some time, as ministers eye off a 90 per cent vaccination target before they are granted extra freedoms...

With NSW’s first dose vaccination rate for people over 16 sitting at 84.5 per cent, it is not yet guaranteed that the state will reach the 90 per cent fully vaccinated mark, meaning unvaccinated residents could be locked down indefinitely...

Speaking to 2GB, Deputy Premier John Barilaro said there would be a “stark difference” between what vaccinated and unvaccinated people can do under the plan.
“I think you’ll be surprised at what will be announced. If you want the freedoms we are talking about right across the board you’re going to have to be vaccinated,” he said...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australia-covid-news-live-confusing-detail-in-new-nsw-outdoor-pool-freedom/news-story/cf9025e2ccfb935e10c7f54ded7d0a44


23 posted on 09/26/2021 7:20:37 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: MAGAthon

27 Sept: news.com.au: NSW threatens ‘jail time’ for unvaccinated people entering businesses without passport
Unvaccinated NSW residents who attempt to enter businesses without a vaccine passport have been warned they could face “jail time”.
by Mitchell Van Homrigh
NSW Customer Service Minister Victor Dominello has warned fraudsters who try and enter venues with fake vaccine passports could face jail time.
Mr Dominello, who is overseeing the rollout of the state’s digital vaccination certificate via the Service NSW app, has in recent days addressed concerns that frontline staff forced to turn away unvaccinated customers will be put in danger...

“If people want to do the wrong thing, if they get found out, as I said, it could be jail time there,” he told the ABC...
Speaking to (Channel) Nine’s Today on Monday morning, Mr Dominello reiterated that those who refuse to show their vaccine status when entering shops, restaurants and other venues should be reported to the police...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/nsw-threatens-jail-time-for-unvaccinated-people-entering-businesses-without-passport/news-story/a4268bb8da7854bcac84e70330ede412


24 posted on 09/26/2021 7:51:02 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: naturalman1975

He isn’t opposing them in this interview. Which is the real Scott Morrison?


25 posted on 09/26/2021 8:14:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Pontiac

He’s shut down the parliament...

Didn’t you know that?


26 posted on 09/26/2021 10:06:44 PM PDT by pacificus
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To: Olog-hai

You’re seeing a small amount of the man.

I’m seeing a lot of him.

I’ve given you links in the past to articles showing his consistent opposition to lockdowns over time.

He has been consistently opposed - but he is a political realist. Sometimes you have to give in a little to get the result you want.

Especially when others are the powerful ones.


27 posted on 09/26/2021 11:19:08 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: pacificus
He’s shut down the parliament...

That was August 2020 and they came back in to session in late September 2020.

If they did it again I can’t find any mention of it.

28 posted on 09/26/2021 11:20:37 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: pacificus

No, he hasn’t shut down the Parliament.

FEDERAL Parliament (which Scott Morrison’s government has control over) has been sitting normally.

STATE Parliament in Victoria (controlled by Premier Daniel Andrews) has been shut down.

They are not the same thing.


29 posted on 09/26/2021 11:21:23 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Pontiac

Unfortunately, because a lot of Americans don’t have any understanding of the difference between state governments and the Commonwealth government in Australia, Scott Morrison is constantly being blamed for things he has absolutely no control over as Prime Minister.

It’s not surprising Americans don’t understand all the details of Australia’s governmental system, but some people do seem to be deliberately trying to exploit this to mislead people.


30 posted on 09/26/2021 11:23:21 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Any enlightenment you can supply I will endeavor to absorb.


31 posted on 09/26/2021 11:27:21 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Truth29
So Morrison has no power, no budget, no army, etc. If he is that powerless, why bother being PM?

I posted a long post trying to explain some of this the other day.

So what is going on in Australia? View from an Australian Freeper

But, in brief, to try and answer your questions.

The Prime Minister does have real power but only in areas the Commonwealth government (Australia's Federal level government) has specifically and explicitly been given power over in Section 51 of Australia's Constitution. Section 51 is actually basically a simple list of all the areas controlled by the Commonwealth government. The Commonwealth government has absolutely no power over any area not mentioned in Section 51.

The states (they were called colonies then) wrote the Constitution and deliberately kept hold of a lot of areas for themselves.

And one of those is 'public health'. The Prime Minister, and the Commonwealth government cannot overrule a state government on any matter relating to public health. That has left the state governments in control of the pandemic response, and the Commonwealth government has had to accept that.

The Prime Minister and his government does have power over the Federal budget, but it's dispersal to the states is managed by agreements negotiated over time. The Prime Minister cannot alter those agreements unilaterally so he can't just deny money to states to try and exert control.

Likewise, while defence is a Commonwealth power, the Constitution explicitly does not allow the government to use the military to try and overrule state laws, even if a government wanted to be that tyrannical.

Foreign affairs, international trade, defence... there's plenty of areas the Commonwealth government does have power over.

But in their domains, the individual state governments are more powerful than the Commonwealth government by deliberate design.

32 posted on 09/26/2021 11:34:17 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Pontiac
I wrote this post the other day.

So what is going on in Australia? View from an Australian Freeper

I am happy to try and answer any additional questions.

33 posted on 09/26/2021 11:35:22 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

That’s not what I asked you, though.

What I find with politicians is that 99 percent of the time they will say the things they believe got them elected, that they never delivered on, and there’s that one percent where they reveal their true character. Consider that.


34 posted on 09/27/2021 12:22:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

I agree that’s true of a lot of politicians and Morrison is far from perfect.

But I do believe he’s sincere in being opposed to lockdowns. He’s been put through political hell by the predominantly left wing media in Australia for daring to go against their view that people like Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan have kept everybody safe.

It has cost him massively politically to go against that narrative.

Being conciliatory more recently does seem to be working as well - Andrews is becoming very slightly more reasonable than he was since he can no longer as easily score points against the Prime Minister.

If Morrison had actually been in charge, this country would have had far, far fewer lockdowns unless COVID had got out of control. I’ve not sure what he would have done in reponse to hundreds of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths. But if the numbers had stayed low, I really do believe that if he was calling the shots, we’d be pretty close to normal at this point - we might be wearing masks and not be able to gather in crowds of thousands but that would be about it. We might have had two of the six lockdowns we’ve had in my state and they would have lasted weeks not months. And much more effort would have been made to keep as many businesses as possible functioning, rather than shutting nearly everything down.


35 posted on 09/27/2021 12:37:05 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for alerting me to your post.

I read most of the thread and feel a bit more enlightened.

A good many Freepers seem reluctant to be enlightened by someone with boots on the ground in Aussieland.

It is hard to change your opinions. Some will take time and multiple articles to revise their views.

Bad news is most often easier to believe than good news.


36 posted on 09/27/2021 1:20:34 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: naturalman1975

Aren’t you glad you Freepmailed me?

Aren’t you glad I insisted your wonderful work, become its own thread?

:^)


37 posted on 09/27/2021 1:35:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I feel like it is 1937 Germany, and my last name is Feinberg.)
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To: Lazamataz

Indeed!


38 posted on 09/27/2021 2:01:52 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Richard Axtell
They know about therapeutics and ban the effective ones to prevent people from using them. Just recently they banned ivermectin, now it’s an illegal drug and possession attracts a six month jail sentence.
39 posted on 09/27/2021 2:32:14 AM PDT by fluorescence
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To: naturalman1975
The Prime Minister, and the Commonwealth government cannot overrule a state government on any matter relating to public health.

Sure he can as long as he doesn't ask for permission.

Australia is having itself an undeclared civil war.

And the wrong side is winning.

40 posted on 09/27/2021 3:10:48 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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