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Is the Air Force Academy Honor Code Dead?
American Thinker.com ^ | November 20, 2021 | Doug Goodman and Scott Sturman

Posted on 11/20/2021 2:40:46 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Alberta's Child

“An honor code is pointless in any institution that has lost its purpose.”

You are very correct. VMI has been scrubbing away any relation to Stonewall Jackson, a man foundational to it’s very existence and purpose. They are now dismantling its strict honor code.

It’s to the point where VMI is now becoming just a bunch of children running around playing “dress up”.


21 posted on 11/20/2021 5:22:08 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Kaslin

It’s been dead, not only in the service academies but throughout the Federal Leviathan since the day the fraud from Kenya was elected by the Army of the Ignorant, otherwise known as the Democrat Party!


22 posted on 11/20/2021 5:26:42 AM PST by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: Kaslin

I worked at the Air Force Academy from 2006 - 2012. This article is mostly right on target. But as a Naval Academy graduate, I will confess that the same problems exist there as well, and more recently at West Point. It’s bad enough that I believe all three schools are beyond redemption and should be shut down. A focus on diversity and division 1 athletics killed the culture of developing honorable warriors. Now we are simply paying a lot of taxpayer dollars to fund institutions whose graduates are often out performed in every respect by their ROTC counterparts.
It was good while it lasted.


23 posted on 11/20/2021 5:35:35 AM PST by Rokke
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To: whitney69
"Prior to 9/11 we had no immediate threat on the horizon. North Korea didn’t attack Alaska, Vietnam didn’t hit Hawaii. And the list of conflicts we were involved in like Lebanon, Granada, Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia were not a threat to our soil."

I have to promise myself to keep my temper and incredulity in check: every hostile force, in any corner of the world is a threat "to our soil" (a weird term - sounds vaguely German). When our allies are attacked by a proxy for the Communist world, we have to fight or we won't have any allies left. Other than the Flat Earth branch of the neoisolationist movement, pretty well everyone else understands that if you don't fight them there, they'll be on our doorstep soon after.

As the major superpower, we stand on a pinnacle with large herds of totalitarians and murderous fanatics waiting to knock us off - so the world IS our battleground, even if the "hide under the bed and hope it all goes away on its own" faction doesn't acknowledge that fact.

24 posted on 11/20/2021 5:43:16 AM PST by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Kaslin

Just remember that they are called hookers because of General Hooker of the US Army in the civil war who brought whore houses around with his army. While ethics may be worse now, they were never perfect. They ebb and flow. We are just at a particularly bad time in most of our government influenced institutions.


25 posted on 11/20/2021 6:04:17 AM PST by poinq
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

ALL of our elected AND appointed approved the Kenyanesian Usurpation.

Not ONE of them would stand for the Constitution.


26 posted on 11/20/2021 6:05:45 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Chainmail

Our country has been under invasion for 30 years.
Just this year 1.7 million have invaded.


27 posted on 11/20/2021 6:08:27 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

True enough. We need President Trump.


28 posted on 11/20/2021 6:10:17 AM PST by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Alberta's Child

Washington had such a rule, and was deadly serious about enforcing it. Hard to argue with (eventual) success.


29 posted on 11/20/2021 6:27:18 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Mark17

AFCC...I was USAFSS! Small world!🙂


30 posted on 11/20/2021 7:03:29 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Kaslin
Makes no mention of the notorious AFA graduate Mikey Weinstein, who has made it his mission in life to wipe Christianity out of the Air Force Academy, all military chaplaincy, and the military completely, once suggesting that any one caught prosetylizing should be court martialed.

Even worse is that this ultra-progressive turncoat once worked in the Reagan White House, and also for Ross Perot.

From Wikipedia:
In April 2013, Weinstein met with top-level officials in the Pentagon to discuss proselytizing in the U.S. military and the role of the chaplaincy. He called it a "national security threat ... spiritual rape ... sedition and treason." In an interview with the Washington Post after that meeting, Weinstein blamed military and political leadership for the abundance of proselytizing going on the military today. Weinstein again claimed the culture in the military is misogynistic, anti-Semitic, and Islamophobic and that the chain of command is compliant to this culture.

31 posted on 11/20/2021 11:29:06 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitude. --Frederick Douglass)
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To: Chainmail

We went into Korea literally to fight communism. That was why Truman ordered US troops in. It was a clash of government theology between that and a democratic network. No peace treaty was ever signed.

We went into Vietnam to do the same by replacing the French who backed out and left it to us based upon treaty.

We got involved with Kosovo to try to assist their ragtag army to defeat Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbian army.

We went with NATO’s intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina which was a series of actions undertaken by NATO whose stated aim was to establish long-term peace during and after the Bosnian War. Not to fight it, but to stop it and talk.

The United States entered Lebanon with the announced purpose of both protecting and preserving the integrity and independence of the country in the face of internal opposition. A civil war, not an international one.

At the time these conflicts started, not one of those countries was a physical threat to US soil. And, currently, the only one that is capable was assisted to become that way by Russia, China, and the US in the form of Bill Clinton...North Korea.

“...if you don’t fight them there, they’ll be on our doorstep soon after...”

It’s easy to sit back and say something might happen in maybe the next century, but is it realistic? The countries that threaten the US now are not any of the countries on my list. But those are the ones we were involved with armed conflict. And every one of them was a civil war based upon government theology. So the question remains, who do you want to attack this week? Under your theology, everyone out there could try to come over here and attack us. So do we hit them before they hit us...maybe? Were you aware that the same approximate percentage of Muslims in London is very close to the same amount of blacks in the US? (14.4%) Muslims are a world wide threat. Do we hit London? It’s safer than places in Chicago or the Watts district in L.A. The declared war on terror is against numerous religious groups determined as a threat. A vast majority of them are Islam related.

Losing your temper is not going to handle the situation, it is going to escalate it. Cool heads think clearer and use logic better. Killing is not the first objective, it is the last. That’s what separates us from the second tear on the food chain, our ability to reason. And not too many actually know what is behind the scenes. That’s why we hire (elect) government officials to take care of this. They have better tools. And the military is just as much a part being one of those tools. But do you need a hammer to smooth out a board? Right tool for the best results.

wy69


32 posted on 11/20/2021 1:31:02 PM PST by whitney69
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To: Rokke
Now we are simply paying a lot of taxpayer dollars to fund institutions whose graduates are often out performed in every respect by their ROTC counterparts.

My son went to OTS, and he is a little less than impressed, with some of the USAFA graduates. 😀😁

33 posted on 11/20/2021 6:37:33 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Mark17; Rokke

I wonder if the overuse of group work has infected the military academies as it has for quite a while in law schools and, I have been told, even in medical schools. Everyone in the group gets the same grade. This is how people who are definitely not up to earlier expectations are getting degrees.


34 posted on 11/20/2021 6:47:14 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Chainmail

If the southern border is wide open to illegal invaders it is kinda pointless to worry about enemies elsewhere.

Our “defense” policy is a sick joke.


35 posted on 11/20/2021 6:47:40 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: whitney69

The majority of your statements demonstrate a serious lack of knowledge and experience. Those of us who have been out into the world have seen what our country faces if we let our will to exist slip.

We went into Korea because Stalin’s buddies in North Korea decided to send their Soviet-supplied army on a lightning thrust south to defeat our allies. Had we just said “ole” and let them get away with it, our allies on that side of world would have had an untenable position and the Soviets and their allies would have reduced our ability to win a war against them.

We didn’t “take over the French position” in Vietnam. We weren’t fighting to gain a colony or to grab territory, or even get them to become our new states 51 through 54. Unlike the French, we had no plans to exploit the Vietnamese. Once again, the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact, and the Chinese, funneled massive shipments of weapons, technologies and trainers to give their acolyte, Ho Chi Minh, the boost he needed to overrun South Vietnam and force them under the communist rule. They called it their “National Liberation War” tactic, which was really a sort of assisted suicide for the target nation through terrorism, well-supplied armies coming south, and unlimited soviet and Chinese assets available.

We were the only ones with the power to help them and we did. We did it with about 85% of own young men opting out , we did it halfway around the world with 1960s logistics, we did it in the face a vicious enemy and hideous death traps, and we did it while the Left pushed false narratives through the media and promoted an “anti war” movement that really was in support of our enemies, not “peace”.

Now to help you improve the quality of your responses: read more about the Communist International and their objectives - and then compare what we had to do to parry their moves. Just standing back and “admiring the problem” wouldn’t have worked.

After you’ve done that bit of reading, go to church and thank God that we had young men willing to serve in those wars and often lose their lives for us. We wouldn’t be here without them.

And P.S.: governments don’t have “theologies” - they have ideologies.


36 posted on 11/20/2021 7:28:37 PM PST by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Chainmail
Here! here!

Chainmail sets the record straight, as per usual.

A belated tip of a Vets' Day helmet to you as well, if you don't mind.

37 posted on 11/20/2021 7:38:58 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
Thanks buddy -

My wife often asks me why I keep fighting back about our war, the Vietnam War - and I tell her that as long as I draw breath, I will always set the record straight about who we were and the very difficult but necessary war we were part of.

The Leftist traitors and the draft-dodgers all hope that I'll just shut up and die already - but I'm still here!

38 posted on 11/21/2021 5:45:59 AM PST by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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