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Elon Musk Calls Gavin Newsom's California Solar Tax a 'Bizarre Anti-Environment
MSN ^ | 1-12-20222 | Brendan Cole

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:18:30 AM PST by Vendome

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This is anti-environment...

This is anti-consumer...

This is anti-business....

This is anti-common sense.

Imagine is ATT were allowed to do this back in the 80's?

There would have been even fewer competition and innovation

1 posted on 01/12/2022 10:18:30 AM PST by Vendome
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Is this retro active? I’m consulting with sunrun for a new install, and the guy says if I sign before this takes effect I’m good and it doesn’t effect me. Anyone know?


2 posted on 01/12/2022 10:24:23 AM PST by Pocketdoor
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If people want rooftop solar, and are willing to pay for it themselves, I’m all for it. If one cares about encouraging renewables, why make people pay for the privilege? Really, California has lost the plot.


3 posted on 01/12/2022 10:24:41 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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Interesting in that, IIRC, California law says all new construction must have solar.


4 posted on 01/12/2022 10:27:59 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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If people want rooftop solar, and are willing to pay for it themselves, I’m all for it. If one cares about encouraging renewables, why make people pay for the privilege?

This is so right. I live in the wealthier part of San Jose and I know for a fact that the friends and neighbors who have installed solar panels (especially the higher end Tesla ones) do not need the federal and state subsidies and rebates. But they're there so they'd be silly not to accept them. The classic example of welfare for the rich.

5 posted on 01/12/2022 10:28:08 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: Pocketdoor

We chickened out.

We were planning to go solar, but following the NEM 2 vs NEM 3 discussions, it looked like they might retroactively add a charge for connection and possibly reduce the grandfathering in timeframe from 20 to 15 years.

Ended up canceling even after getting the permit. Supposedly if you are actually up and running before it takes effect you *might* be OK, but all it would take is a month’s delay in permitting to blow that.

IF I recall correctly Sunrun basically leases your roof, so if it turns to crap, you might be protected in the contract and they take the loss; depends on the exact wording.

Since with my small house, even in the most optimal circumstances it was 7.5 years until break-even I bailed.

Good luck! Let me know!


6 posted on 01/12/2022 10:29:06 AM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Yep


7 posted on 01/12/2022 10:31:07 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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Worse than that...it’s bait and switch! Public hearing today at 3PM local.


8 posted on 01/12/2022 10:31:38 AM PST by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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To: hinckley buzzard

To look at it differently, you can believe that retail prices will drop significantly, if the subsidy ends.


9 posted on 01/12/2022 10:32:14 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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Paying people for the privilege incentivizes a reduction on demand of the electric infrastructure that has no realistic way of keeping up with demand or growth.

PGE is the one being given an incentive in this instant and will continue to rob the citizens of California...


10 posted on 01/12/2022 10:37:34 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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Yes


11 posted on 01/12/2022 10:37:52 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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What behaviors liberal government considers positive and encourages with tax money today

Become the problem behaviors liberal government punishes with new taxes tomorrow


12 posted on 01/12/2022 10:38:53 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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All those suckers who bought those panels are now going to start paying more and more and more. Just like the electric cars about to get charged by the mile.

CA taxes everything on an ever-increasing scale. So glad I’m out of there.


13 posted on 01/12/2022 10:40:47 AM PST by Jonny7797
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Do the power companies issue 1099s for the power purchased from consumers?

Actually, there should be hefty fees associated with solar because of the environmental impact of disposal.


14 posted on 01/12/2022 10:54:44 AM PST by PAR35
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All those suckers who bought those panels are now going to start paying more and more and more. Just like the electric cars about to get charged by the mile.

One big con job...Wait till they get 80 million EV's on the roads and then they'll tell everyone they will be subjected to rationing electricity, charging will only be allowed during certain days and times, depending on the temperatures, etc etc..

15 posted on 01/12/2022 10:56:07 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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could see this coming for miles and miles


16 posted on 01/12/2022 10:59:54 AM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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This is actually sane. (surprise for CA)
The utilities has to pay for the net (cost a lot to build an maintain) as well as the distribution.
I am not sure about Ca, but here in AZ that was already implemented. Basically homeowners used to get paid retail for the power they delivered to the utility. Now they get paid wholesale - just like the power plants do.
Basically just reduced the subsidies for the solar.
Should be done.
It was OK in the beginning, when there were few installations, now, utilities cannot afford to subsidize these people any more. .


17 posted on 01/12/2022 11:03:30 AM PST by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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Human: You bit me.

Snake: You knew what I was from the get-go.


18 posted on 01/12/2022 11:08:33 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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Eh. It was a given that no financial losses would be tolerated for the power companies.


19 posted on 01/12/2022 11:10:50 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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This crap has been rolled out in other countries. Consumers spent their money for roof top solar and sold back the power. The government subsequently claimed ownership of the solar panels and electricity produced. No mention of getting "free use" of the rooftop of the homeowner.

Many rooftop solar installations have no local battery. They simply drive power back into the grid during daylight hours with a proportional "backward spin" of the local meter being the "economic battery". The government and utilities want to shortchange these solar energy investors from making a return on their investment. Frankly, if it is legislated into being a poor ROI (will it cease to function before the money saved exceeds the cost of acquisition/cost of operation), that amounts to a "taking" without compensation. Bring on the attorneys. Remove the panels and sell for salvage.

20 posted on 01/12/2022 11:11:15 AM PST by Myrddin
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