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24 February 2022 Russia has launched 'full-scale invasion'
Bbc ^ | 24 February 2022 | Bbc

Posted on 02/23/2022 9:39:43 PM PST by Cronos

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To: wardaddy

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But it’s not even a “plurality” — as I said, the people there didn’t have a wider sense of “nation” beyond their local areas until recently.

What “angle” do you mean?


341 posted on 02/24/2022 9:20:41 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Mariner; Greetings_Puny_Humans
but one cannot reasonably debate that the vast majority of the country believes they do. -- actually one can - the majority of Russians are unsure of this action. There is no large support for it. They don't want NATO at the borders but they don't want to attack Ukraine either.
342 posted on 02/24/2022 9:22:18 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Paul R.

Take out Assad and you open the door to the Islamic state.

NO


343 posted on 02/24/2022 9:22:51 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: janetjanet998

Then we can certainly arm Poles with some nasty defensive weapons like TOWs and Stingers, since Poles are in NATO.


344 posted on 02/24/2022 10:03:45 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Zhang Fei

““What Poland has coming from Russia, it fully deserves.”

You didn’t answer why Poland deserves to be attacked by Russia.

But you go one step further and endorse it, advocate it:

“A Russian Poland might not be such a bad thing.”


345 posted on 02/24/2022 10:04:40 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: All

For the handful that thinks this still might be fake. Fake this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496860423810912259


346 posted on 02/24/2022 10:13:35 AM PST by Smogger
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To: Always A Marine

By that time, the Monroeski Doctrine will be fait accompli.
***Good wordsmithing ✍️


347 posted on 02/24/2022 10:19:27 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Angelino97

His mistake (or that of his Neocon handlers) was to urge Ukraine to join NATO,
***I’m no neocon. I’m paleocon. If Ukraine had joined NATO there would be no invasion today. We’d have a good dues-paying ally, and a regional bully would go whimpering home.


348 posted on 02/24/2022 10:26:19 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: RummyChick

Trump is advocating for this invasion..
***🐂💨💩


349 posted on 02/24/2022 10:28:13 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Cronos

to win back territory
***There hasn’t been a straightforward war like that for some time.


350 posted on 02/24/2022 10:43:06 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: frankis4liberty

after all this expect zero chance of Ukraine joining NATO
***What about western Ukraine? For decades, east Germany was in NATO and west Germany was in the Warsaw pact. Everyone knew that east Germany was simply an occupied state.


351 posted on 02/24/2022 10:47:02 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: frankis4liberty

after all this expect zero chance of Ukraine joining NATO
***What about western Ukraine? For decades, east Germany was in NATO and west Germany was in the Warsaw pact. Everyone knew that east Germany was simply an occupied state.


352 posted on 02/24/2022 10:49:22 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: CatHerd

Hard to know which story is true and which is not.

On Kiev I’m sure you’ve seen reports about Russia controlling one of the airports.

On Turkey I think the evacuation story is false — typical war time story, any report that the leadership is running is going to cut down resistance. Not even saying the story originates from Russian officials, bloggers also make stories. And surely not saying that the Uke leaders would not run away, many already did!, but it is more logical for them to just drive West.

We’ll surely know more before long.


353 posted on 02/24/2022 10:50:17 AM PST by mvonfr
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To: mvonfr

Yep, a lot of fog of war.


354 posted on 02/24/2022 10:50:35 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I do wonder about this story:

https://t.me/sashakots/29077

(Zelensky is planning operations with Sean Penn ... well, they are both professionals in their area, but still).

Kots (the source) — generally very reliable, he is a well-known mil correspondent.


355 posted on 02/24/2022 10:54:50 AM PST by mvonfr
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To: Angelino97

Had Biden said early on, we will not welcome Ukraine into NATO, this crisis would nave been nipped in the bud. Russia would not have invaded.
***You got it backwards. Had Biden said early on, we welcome Ukraine into NATO, this crisis would nave been nipped in the bud. Russia would not have invaded.


356 posted on 02/24/2022 11:00:28 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Angelino97

Apparently they weren’t feeling anti-Russia enough to join NATO, so their own vacillating brought on this war.


357 posted on 02/24/2022 11:07:35 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Angelino97

As an AmericaFirster, I have hindsight that if we had done the right thing in Sudetenland, Hitler would never have been more than just a regional bully. If we had intervened earlier, we would have saved tens of millions of lives. Hindsight gives us foresight: The same kind of appeasement has led to this full-on military invasion and annexation process with yet another local bully.


358 posted on 02/24/2022 11:16:13 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Kevmo

Not Sudentenland. The Rhineland in 1936, had the French fired on the Germans, Hitler had orders for them to retreat. Not a shot was fired.


359 posted on 02/24/2022 11:17:25 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DEPcom

America would have been better off not arming USSR to fight the Nazis too.
***America woulda been better off if we had invaded USSR from Alaska in 1939 when they jointly started WW2 with the NAZIs. We woulda had far more than just a foothold in Asia.


360 posted on 02/24/2022 11:26:29 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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