Posted on 02/28/2022 1:04:37 PM PST by blam
All of these Putina lovers have some distorted view that the Russian army is somehow a modern impervious force to be reckoned with. They have never ever considered human life as precious, especially their own soldiers. They haven’t won a major war by themselves in well over a century.
Sure bombs and nukes are deterrents. But a useless conscript army of teens who’d rather be at a bar or disco and are constantly being lied to will wither away in a real fight.
Putin needs a cease fire as much as Ukraine at this point.
Several of them didn’t really know why they were in the Ukraine.
Why did we have 500,000 men in Vietnam? Why did we have hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan for twenty years? When did Vietnam or Iraq (not Saudi Arabia) attack Kansas? Off hand guess, in the last hundred years 90% of soldiers actually fighting are NOT warding off invaders of the motherland. But to your point, the number one reason Putin is doing this is because Ukraine was possibly going to become a NATO member. I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember the Warsaw Pact. If you are, would Mexico becoming a Warsaw Pact member in 1980 satisfy your prerequisite for the US Army to fight aggressively? Same difference. For that matter, why do we still have NATO after Reagan destroyed the Warsaw Pact? I know if I were a Russian and the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact were 30 years dead, I’d be asking that question.
Lol, I want a house, that the table could fit in.
Feels like Pootie Poot really needs to draw another nation into this mess just to save face
I believe Russia would interdict arms shipments in a NATO country if they could identify them.
But only once there is a new government in Ukraine.
And I don’t believe NATO would respond militarily.
NATO is a paper tiger on the verge of collapse, in spite of the surface political solidarity you now see. When the shooting starts it’ll be every man for himself.
Ask yourself this: what are the odds a POTUS would send an expeditionary army to Romania to free them from a Russian occupation? They’re right across the street from Ukraine, on the Black Sea and quite vulnerable.
The closest real NATO military is Turkey.
I contend the odds are 0% even.
The ruble is trading at less than a penny against the dollar and plummeting.
Russia is right now unable to finance a popsicle stick with twenty-five cents down.
These bleatings from Putin are merely the death rattle of his regime and sooner or later someone in Moscow who misses their billions will have the little prick killed like he deserves.
Indeed. He is a frightened little man.
“I believe Russia would interdict arms shipments in a NATO country if they could identify them.”
And then NATO would start interdicting Russians in Russia. If that’s what Putin wants to do then that’s up to him.
Hell——OOOO down there!
Imagine how the Turks will react if Ukraine is accepted into the EU?
My guess is they'll leave NATO.
[Russian army unleashed? I wonder what their motivation would be? It’s not like when Germany invaded and the whole country took up arms (like what’s happening in the Ukraine right now) so I don’t think Russian soldiers would be highly motivated; OTOH, the Ukrainians sure are.
In WW2 80% of Russian soldiers never returned home. ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
Russians who wanted to avoid the mass graves Hitler planned for them had to fight. In WW1, when they were fighting Germany over bits of land, the Russians started to collapse when they started to take serious casualties. Hitler’s mistake was to confuse the Russian unwillingness to die in large numbers over real estate in WW1 for a willingness to be exterminated to the last man, woman and child without resisting.
“Most of Russias troops are 18 year old draftees who have zero motivation to fight.”
Not true.
The Russian military is 30% draftees and 70% professional. And like the US they may extensive use of Contractors. Their Specops are first rate.
They are better, man for man, than the old Red Army.
The conscript battalions are what you have been seeing in Ukraine so far. For whatever reason.
Boy scouts with old equipment and the simplest of tactics.
Behind these guys is a professional army with modern equipment.
Are they as good as the battle hardened US military? No. But they are among the best in Europe.
And they have not yet been committed to the fight.
Amazingly.
I’d caution against dismissing the war making abilities of 18 year old draftees. Who defeated the Japanese on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? Who fought the Vietnam War for the United States? 18 year old draftees have done a lot of killing in the last 100 years.
You do know that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are now NATO members, right?
And all were ruled by Russia for centuries, only having their freedom for 20 years between the world wars.
They all border Russia.
In fact, the NATO Naval Base (it is in Estonia, but as part of NATO follows under them) in Tallin is less than 200 miles from downtown St. Petersburg (second largest city in Russia, and Naval HQTRs), and the border crossing at Narva only 80 miles from St Petersburg.
So that bell has already been rung.
I do appreciate your take on the Ukrainian situation regarding NATO membership, but it is not unprecedented by other countries bordering Russia, nor was membership for Ukraine a done deal in any case. Many NATO countries have been opposed to it for just this reason of Russian anger.
Invest in Uranium stocks now.
“And then NATO would start interdicting Russians in Russia.”
Which airfield would they get permission to fly from, and, in your estimation, who’s flag will they fly?
Do you agree it would result in existential war between the US and Russia?
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