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DC shifts to damage control as Ukraine defense fades
asiatimes.com ^ | June 14, 2022 | Uwe Parpart and David P. Goldman

Posted on 06/13/2022 7:16:29 PM PDT by elpadre

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To: 1Old Pro

So much for our 40 billion. Here today, Gone tomorrow.

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Most of it is still here. It’s spread out to all the proper pockets as kickbacks and skim.

Same with every other “foreign aid” package ever. And most of the NGO “funding”.


41 posted on 06/14/2022 11:00:02 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: virgil

Ask Hunter how of that 40 billion he had to give to The Big Guy.


42 posted on 06/14/2022 11:58:51 AM PDT by webheart (I thought I was helping by getting vaccinated but they say I didn’t help at all. )
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To: freeandfreezing

Drones were useful at the beginning because of the element of surprise. They are easy to shoot down on once you start watching for them. Drones are nothing more than clay pigeons.


43 posted on 06/14/2022 12:04:27 PM PDT by webheart (I thought I was helping by getting vaccinated but they say I didn’t help at all. )
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; BobL; Mariner; Travis McGee
Where are people getting this?

Do you really think that in the assessment of world military powers before Putin's failed invasion Ukraine was seen as the second most powerful military in Europe? Where would it have stood worldwide? Ahead of China, or Germany?

I see a lot of propaganda and coping by Russia's supporters. Russia has succeeded in showing the world that their military is nowhere near as powerful as they pretended it was.

The Russian strategy so far has been idiotic at best. Right now they are destroying the very places they claim they invaded Ukraine to protect. How does the artillery based strategy you assign to them make any sense at all when their supposed goal is protecting ethnic Russians living in Ukraine? How do you protect somebody by shelling their house?

At this point the Russian politicians and military are desperate to show some kind of success, so they are burning up their soldiers and their equipment trying to capture a single city the size of Davenport Iowa. And they are destroying it in the process. Only a fool would define that as success.

44 posted on 06/14/2022 12:13:03 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Give them HELL, Baghdad Bob!!!


45 posted on 06/14/2022 12:21:14 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: webheart
Drones are nothing more than clay pigeons.

Not if you have one flying above you at night with a thermal sight. I doubt the guys hiding or sleeping in the trench ever knew what killed them. But we do, and perhaps their family members can watch the video to learn how they died. Your chances of shooting down a drone like this at night are slim to none. Thermal sighted drone attack

46 posted on 06/14/2022 12:39:18 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing; BobL; Mariner; Travis McGee
Do you really think that in the assessment of world military powers before Putin's failed invasion Ukraine was seen as the second most powerful military in Europe?

First: the invasion's still ongoing, so how do you know it's failed? Second: I said "largest", not "most powerful", because "power" depends on a lot other factors: force projection, economic coercion, and so forth. Manpower, however, is an important facet all on its own.

Ahead of China, or Germany?

China's not in Europe. And in case you haven't noticed, Germany's too busy trying to backtrack on sending weapons to Kiev to show off their military might.

I see a lot of propaganda and coping by Russia's supporters. Russia has succeeded in showing the world that their military is nowhere near as powerful as they pretended it was.

And yet if Russia is such a paper tiger, America and Europe keep waffling as to what should be done. Sanctions have backfired, hurting Americans and Europeans more than they appear to have hurt Russians; the economic reality of energy means Russia is earning more revenue off of oil and gas than they were before the war; the sacrifice of the West's soft power has only accelerated the return to another multipolar world...because after Afghanistan, the fecklessness of Biden, and the caprice of America's Deep State, who would still trust us to be the sole enforcer of global order as the lone superpower? Right now they are destroying the very places they claim they invaded Ukraine to protect.

They're beyond the territories of the DPR and the LPR, and are attacking places where the Armed Forces of the Ukraine happen to be holing up. If you don't want Russians to shell your cities, maybe you should tell your military to not hide amongst civilians: "Contrary to expectations, the Ukrainian military opted to reinforce the Sievierodonetsk garrison and continue holding the ground in costly urban warfare, where Russia struggles to maintain its combat advantage over Ukraine."

How do you protect somebody by shelling their house?

Maybe Ukraine can answer, given their recent shelling of civilian areas in Donetsk.

At this point the Russian politicians and military are desperate to show some kind of success, so they are burning up their soldiers and their equipment trying to capture a single city the size of Davenport Iowa. And they are destroying it in the process. Only a fool would define that as success.

If Ukraine wants to keep throwing their soldiers into the artillery meat grinder, then that's their (poor) decision.

The ultimate measure of success in war is breaking the opponent's morale before yours does. We'll find out sooner rather than later as to who breaks first...but I resent being woke-scolded by propagandists that we need throw American money into Ukraine at a time where our country's fiscal train is rocketing off the proverbial cliff.

47 posted on 06/14/2022 12:51:58 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: webheart

Against a clear sky, an easy shot.

When they are coming at you chest high, it’s a new ball game!


48 posted on 06/14/2022 1:07:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
our country's fiscal train is rocketing off the proverbial cliff.

When were you born? Our government has been over spending for many, many years. And even when the Republicans were in control of the Presidency, Senate, and House they did not do anything but put fuel into the fiscal train's boiler.

Were you raising the same issues when Republicans were in power?

49 posted on 06/14/2022 3:07:51 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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