Art teacher fired — let students pose topless, simulate masturbation on camera [UK]

NY Post ^ | 6/17/22 | Andrew Court

[libertylover]

Fired? Don’t they mean promoted?

[cpdiii]

The female body is not obscene even nude. However as art this should be done only by adults and only for art. The nude female can also be posed in an obscene fashion, which is not art. It is just obscene.

[markomalley]

The article said as young as 15.

[Vaduz]

Wonder if she showered with her father?.

Cause if twisted minds starts at an early age.

[Hiddigeigei]

"The female body is not obscene even nude. However as art this should be done only by adults and only for art."
When I was thirteen (1946) I wanted to be an artist and took adult class at the Corcoran Art Gallery in Washington. I remember when the director introduced the nude model, he said, "Doesn't she have pretty legs" and she blushed. She turned me on for the first few classes, but I got bored to the nudity after awhile.

[ArcadeQuarters]

The person who fired the perv will be in trouble.

[2manydegrees]

15 not 13-big difference in my moral code. The teacher was out of line either way, but I feel a little differently about appropriate consequences for the teacher.

This was a college class, the article says. Are there any college art programs where there isn’t any nudity, at least in the drawing classes? I thinks its kind of the ordinary thing. I don’t know about Britain, but I’m pretty sure its that way in America.

All this talk about Sodom and Gomorrah is fine with me, but I am having a hard time connecting it with this incident. Who was sodomized here? This was about a teacher not controlling her class, as best as I could tell.

[markomalley]

This is what we would call a college prep school. It admits kids from year 7 and prepares them for their GCSE exams and then for their A-levels...so they can then get admitted into a university.

I’m fairly easy going when it comes to things like this, but I draw the line when it comes to high school girls getting photographed in “Maxim” magazine poses (as opposed to, say, “Penthouse” magazine poses). Probably not TECHNICALLY kiddie porn, but not the kind of thing for young ladies to do. The kind of poses described in the article would be allowed in Instagram but would probably require an adult filter on it.

I actually wouldn’t have a problem with high school children seeing an adult model doing a non-sexualized nude pose for a drawing/painting class...provided the school secured consent from each child’s parents and assuming that the model signed the applicable model release (which implies that he/she is 18 or over). Learning how to draw the human form is important for an aspiring artist.

I, on the other hand, DO have a major problem with a girl, under the age of 18, posing nude (even with her breasts and privates figleafed). I have a bigger problem if the pose is erotic (simulated masterbation). First, she is incapable of signing a model release as she is below the age of majority in England. Secondly, that kind of thing simply can’t be undone, particularly in the age of the Internet. If her parents signed a model release on her behalf (one that specifically indicated the types of poses she would be doing), then, while I’d question the judgment of the parents, I would have less of a problem with. But I still wouldn’t care for it.

Bottom line: if I found out that my 15-year old daughter’s art teacher had my daughter strip her clothes off and pose in an erotic fashion so that other students could take her photograph, getting fired would’ve been the least of that teacher’s concerns. You may think that it’s fine for that to happen to your daughter(s), but not me.

[2manydegrees]

I share your disapproval and desire for consequences when teachers go rogue.

I do want to say that my daughter at 15 took care of herself. Even the thought that I would need to step in to take care of her moral environment in her college prep school would bring nothing but laughter in my family.

Younger, yes. Whole different story.

Kindergarten sexuality classes would have needed me on the job, if anybody even thought of such a thing at that time.

Lastly, the thought that art teachers are reliable moral guides is another thought that I gave up years before I had a family to worry about. I assume that any art teacher I find will believe themselves to be the proper challengers to traditional values. I put up with that in the hope that art does more good than harm. Lots of disappointment down that road, or course.

[markomalley]

My daughter when she was 15 would not have tolerated that kind of request from an art teacher either, TBH. I raised her to question everything and everybody...and to maintain her values and standards no matter who said something. (That was primarily in defense of Catholic values in light of the SJW-lite crap they pushed in religion class).

But a lot of her classmates would’ve. Without the parents knowing. And the parents, who blindly taught their daughters to respect authority, would’ve gone off.