Posted on 07/07/2022 8:50:27 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
Blurp2: So called white men do not marry so called black women, in this country. If this country were colorblind, you would expect 120 in every 1000 married so called white men to be married to so called black women. Instead it’s 2 per 1000. That discrepancy - 120 per 1000 vs 2 per 1000 - is what shows you it’s a racist country. You can’t live at that level of personal racism and not have it bleed into every other part of your life. And I’m not saying that there aren’t reasons for some discrepancy. If the difference was between 30 per 1000 and 40 per 1000, you could find other reasonable reasons. Geography, economics, culture, you name it. But between 120 per 1000 and 2 per 1000? No. That’s racism.
By Blurp2's logic: "Why do so few heterosexual men marry other men? Must be because they are homophobic!"
Never heard of preferences, Blurb2? Or aren't we allowed to have them anymore?!
Regards,
Yep! Your logic does indeed show that Black women are ingrained racist!
I'd really like to know: Why do Black women hate White men so very much?
Regards,
“Never heard of preferences, Blurb2? Or aren’t we allowed to have them anymore?!”
The idea that 98% of so called white men prefer so called white women in the absence of racism... sorry, that’s just nuts. It won’t wash. Preference is how racism expresses itself.
Imagine that the one drop rule worked in the other direction, so that one drop of white blood made you white. We might be able to make that change by law. Be interesting to see what would happen, I think. But the point is - who’s so called black and who isn’t is completely arbitrary. There’s no sense to it at all. It’s as though 98% of us make our deepest emotional commitments to people who have a dimpled chin, in spite of the fact that it’s not that common.
And I’m not saying we’re to blame for this; we don’t choose who to fall in love with. It’s something that happens to us. In that sense, we’re morally guiltless. But that doesn’t mean we’re not racist. We are. As a country. As a people.
Can we control it? I think we could - as a people. Not individually. As individuals, I think most of us have made a decision that we’re not going to be racist if we can help it. For my part, you can tell me you’re a dues paying member of the KKK and I’m not going to call you a racist. I’m not even going to THINK of you as any more racist than me, if I can help it. Because what you think you think has nothing to do with it, in my opinion. And I know, better than most, that until we have a test for who’s NOT a racist (and we don’t), there’s no limit to such accusations.
Blurp2: The idea that 98% of so called white men prefer so called white women in the absence of racism... sorry, that’s just nuts. It won’t wash. Preference is how racism expresses itself.
Thank you for answering my question: You believe that we aren't allowed to have preferences, even with regards to mate-selection (without opening ourselves up to the accusation of "Racist!").
And you still haven't responded to my counter-argument about Black women being the true racists.
A lot of White men might have to search high and low to find an eligible Black woman in their proximity - but (on a national scale) fully 88% of all the men surrounding Black woman are White, so they should have no problem selecting a White mate - if only they weren't so racist.
Regards,
“Yep! Your logic does indeed show that Black women are ingrained racist!
I’d really like to know: Why do Black women hate White men so very much?”
...ah, that’s a good one... it seems pretty clear you’re not serious, so I won’t work too hard on my response...
“A lot of White men might have to search high and low to find an eligible Black woman in their proximity - but (on a national scale) fully 88% of all the men surrounding Black woman are White, so they should have no problem selecting a White mate - if only they weren’t so racist.”
OMG - you’re SERIOUS. Jeez, I’m sorry, to me the answer to these arguments is just too obvious - guys do the asking. Women select a mate from among the guys who express an interest. If so called white guys don’t express an interest - and they don’t - then so called black women can’t select them. Most people already know this, I feel sure.
In 2017 only 15% percent of Black men were married to non-Black women [...] About three-fifths of those non-Black women were White.
source: https://blackdemographics.com/households/marriage-in-black-america/
So, by your logic - because guys do the asking - the low percentage (three-fifths of 15% = approx. 9%) of Black men marrying White women must be due to racism on the part of Black men, right?
Ri-ight?
I mean: These Black men are literally surrounded by White women - but these Black men must not be "expressing an interest," as you say. These Black men are thus thwarting the ability of those White women to "select them," as you say!
Regards,
“So, by your logic - because guys do the asking - the low percentage (three-fifths of 15% = approx. 9%) of Black men marrying White women must be due to racism on the part of Black men, right?”
Well, first of all, I’m not saying so called white guys are racists - I’m saying the whole country is racist. Black, brown, blue, white, everybody. Me too. In fact, that’s one of the real reasons racism is wrong: it compels so called blacks to denigrate themselves. Because so called blacks don’t “buy in” to racism the way you might think, by being as discriminatory against so called whites as so called whites are against them - instead, their buy-in, their membership in the club, is being MORE discriminatory against their own color than so called whites are.
(This is my own theory, and I really have no evidence at all. It’s just how I explain the world to myself, and you know, who knows.)
What that has to do with your question, I’m not sure. I’ve really never given the idea any thought, but it is an interesting one and I will think about it. I just wanted to make sure - you seemed to think the point of my original example was to select so called white guys to call them racists, and it wasn’t. The point was to say the COUNTRY is racist. All of us.
As you seem to be on a mission to reeducate your readers, some random questions from the peanut gallery:
Can you define "racism"?
Do you know how many miles apart the average future couple lived from each other when they first met?
Can you explain why so many "black" girls straighten their hair?
Why are we supposed to pretend that the vice president is "black"?
Should public schools be teaching kids that marrying someone of the opposite sex is homophobic?
“As you seem to be on a mission to reeducate your readers, some random questions from the peanut gallery:”
Sorry. I’ve always had an attitude problem, and it doesn’t seem to be going away...
“Can you define “racism”?”
Racism is the unwillingness or inability of so called white guys to fall in love with, and marry, so called black women.
“Do you know how many miles apart the average future couple lived from each other when they first met?
Can you explain why so many “black” girls straighten their hair?
Why are we supposed to pretend that the vice president is “black”?”
I dunno.
“Should public schools be teaching kids that marrying someone of the opposite sex is homophobic?”
NO. And if I see ONE MORE HEADLINE about whether trans athletes are going to be allowed to play high school sports, I’ll just stop reading the news. Apropos of nothing, there are times when I feel that global thermonuclear war might not be the worst option...
Young guys really could care less whether a pretty girl is white, black, or green. If she makes him smile, and he makes her smile, it's all ahead full. I think the box you're putting "racism" in, a term only 100 years old by the way, is misguided.
Eh, who knows...
Sorry, but that, too, is a sneaky rhetorical trick!
The radical Left has declared war against Freedom-loving, Constitution-believing conservatives, and forces us to choose sides. What you are doing is comparable to running along the front lines in this ideological battle and jumping into foxhole after foxhole, proclaiming: "Conservatives! Lay down your weapons! Can't we all just get along? We are all, after all, just flawed humans! We all bear some guilt! Kumbaya!"
So some of the "nobler," more self-sacrificing conservative types fall for this line and lay down their weapons. But the fact is that, as soon as they do so, as soon as they have "fallen into line," the radical Left will begin showing their bad faith. Incrementally, we will be asked to make "certain small concessions."
Before long, we will be told to neatly pile our belongings along the train platforms, and to mark them with our names, "So that they can be returned to you once you've reached your destination."
In fact, that’s one of the real reasons racism is wrong: it compels so called blacks to denigrate themselves. Because so called blacks don’t “buy in” to racism the way you might think, by being as discriminatory against so called whites as so called whites are against them - instead, their buy-in, their membership in the club, is being MORE discriminatory against their own color than so called whites are.
Yeah, "Black, brown, blue, white, everybody. Me too." - Yep! Everybody's racist, you say - and yet, maybe the Blacks have been victimized a bit more than the Whites. Maybe the Whites do bear a little bit more guilt. Maybe reparations are justified. "And please proceed to the Delousing Stations just up ahead! Your clothing will be returned to you after the delousing procedure!"
(This is my own theory, and I really have no evidence at all. It’s just how I explain the world to myself, and you know, who knows.)
Look, Blurp2, you seem to be a really nice guy! At least: The skillfully crafted persona you project does seem kind of naïve, conciliatory, open to discussion, looking for answers, and willing to "give and take." Or maybe you really are a "nice guy."
What that has to do with your question, I’m not sure. I’ve really never given the idea any thought, but it is an interesting one and I will think about it. I just wanted to make sure - you seemed to think the point of my original example was to select so called white guys to call them racists, and it wasn’t. The point was to say the COUNTRY is racist. All of us.
All of us?! Then why did every one of your examples look like you were singling out Whites as being discriminatory? Why did I have to point out to you that your same arguments could be switched around and made to "prove" that, in actual fact, BLACKS were racist!
Look, Blurp2, you want a concrete suggestion from me? You want to find some answers? I won't even provide you with a mile-long reading list and demand that you wade through the complete works of Karl Marx "before you can even begin to understand what a flawed human being you are" and are "ready to see the truth."
Go to some of the "progressive"-leaning websites, the pro-CRT and Democrat forums, and try opining that "Blacks are racist, too!" Try stating that "CRT is inconsistent and often harmful."
You'll soon see how accepting the other side is! Then you can get back to us!
Regards,
Blurp2: Racism is the unwillingness or inability of so called white guys to fall in love with, and marry, so called black women.
Also Blurp2, in his post #48 in this thread: Well, first of all, I’m not saying so called white guys are racists - I’m saying the whole country is racist. Black, brown, blue, white, everybody.
What are you, like 13 years old?! We can darn well expect some consistency here! Make up your mind!
Item: You first attempt to paint chiefly Whites as racist (all of your examples point in that direction, and you stubbornly resist admitting that, when "White" and "Black" are swapped in your examples, the exact opposite of your original premise can be proved) - but when that doesn't "pan out" and/or you are "called on it," you resort to the "feel-good" vague claim that "we are ALL racist."
I am beginning to suspect that you are an "insincere" poster, that you are not debating in good faith, that you are presenting a false persona of innocence and open-mindedness.
Regards,
Ah, yes: Nihilism, the last refuge of scoundrels.
Regards,
Yeah, honestly, I don’t see any conflict between saying racism is defined as the inability or unwillingness of so called white guys to fall in love with, and marry, so called black women, and also maintaining that we are all equally racist.
You see, controlling the racism switch is not the same as being racist. So called white guys will have to eliminate racism, if it is to be eliminated; but all of us are part of racism. It’s like the difference between being at a movie and controlling the projector. Sort of. I’m not saying so called white guys wrote, directed and star in the film! I think it’s clear they didn’t. Racism started a long time ago, by god knows who, and it’s a film that has been running a long time. Nobody living started it. I’m just saying so called white guys can, if they wish, turn off the projector.
Where is the switch? Who knows. Not me. Well, I do know, but I’ve been kicked out of more bulletin boards than I like to remember for saying it. The airliners wouldn’t listen to it; the City Place people wouldn’t; the anarchists wouldn’t.
If I were to say what the solution is here I’d be banned in ten seconds. It’s not objectively extreme; no one has to suffer or die, we don’t have to split the country into pieces, we don’t have to send a whole bunch of people to a different country, we don’t need a new government program. We REALLY don’t need diversity training. But it makes, I estimate, 10-20% of so called white people flat upchuck in their Wheaties. And so I can’t say it here.
But because this marriage rate is the true indicator of racism (according to me), so called white guys are the ones who have to fix it, if it’s going to be fixed. They control that marriage rate.
Racism is a fantasy, a Matrix-like hallucination that we all inhabit. Just because we’re all having the same fantasy doesn’t mean we all control whether it hallucinates us or not. Who is in control of his mind? Not me. And the problem antiracists and the woke and the BLMers and the progressives face is, they don’t know what so called white guys should actually do, that will improve the situation. They don’t know where the switch is. But for political reasons, they feel they have to tell us what to do anyway, in spite of the fact that they don’t know. Because in order to attract political support they have to look like they know what they’re doing. And because they don’t know what to do, they’re coming up with all kinds of ridiculous, stupid answers. That’s our key problem right now, admitting 1) we have a problem, and 2) we don’t know what to do about it.
But because this marriage rate is the true indicator of racism (according to me), so called white guys are the ones who have to fix it, if it’s going to be fixed. They control that marriage rate.
I already debunked your assertion that White men "controlled the racism switch" by taking your statement and swapping "White" for "Black" - yet you have stubbornly refused to explicitly acknowledge that!
You have repeatedly claimed that "men have the power to ask" (and that women are then the gatekeepers - i.e., have the [greater?] power to grant or reject any such requests that men direct at them).
1. If "men have the power to ask," then Black men (as a subset of "men") likewise have the power to ask - i.e., they, too, "control the racism switch." You cite figures indicating that disproportionately few White men are married to Black women - and claim that that means that White men "aren't asking." But isn't it equally possible that White men ARE asking, but that Black women are then (due to their inherent racism) REJECTING them?"
2. By the same token, statistics show that disproportionately few Black men are married to White women. But couldn't that be due to the reluctance (due to their inherent racism) of Black men to "use their power of asking?" Thus, the White women never even get a chance to exercise their "power to reject."
Finally, I would like you to go back and "check your premise" (A. Rand). This is no longer the 1950s. Men don't necessarily feel that it is incumbent upon them to "ask" - and women might no longer feel it necessary to "wait to be asked." Your WHOLE ARGUMENT lives or falls, based on that (unproven) premise. But I assert that, even if your premise is TRUE, it proves nothing; Blacks could STILL be the racists ones in BOTH scenarios (Black men refusing to ask White women; Black women rejecting White men).
In short: You have failed to prove that ANYONE in America is racist - but even if we accept your (unproven) premise about "asking" and "rejecting," it still doesn't prove that Whites are "guiltier" of racism than Blacks.
Regards,
“In 2017 only 15% percent of Black men were married to non-Black women [...] About three-fifths of those non-Black women were White.
So, by your logic - because guys do the asking - the low percentage (three-fifths of 15% = approx. 9%) of Black men marrying White women must be due to racism on the part of Black men, right?”
Well, I’ve given this a little thought, and the first thing I want to say is, I don’t know.
I love to speculate, of course, and so I will.
Secondly, my peculiar and unique definition of racism implies that so called whiteness is defined by the refusal to marry so called black women. And so a lot more women are so called white than those who wrote the article you cited might have realized. I would say there’s a high probability that a lot more than 3/5 of those non-black women were white. I would bet they all were. If you’re not black, in my formulation, you’re white. Because that’s the only marriage barrier I’m aware of. That’s how whiteness is actually defined.
Thirdly, so called black guys are subject to a lot of different pressures when it comes to racism. Because of racism, fewer so called black guys might have the balls to approach a so called white woman. Also because of racism, so called black guys might feel a very understandable urge to support their sisters and mothers by marrying within the tribe.
Eh, who knows. Not me.
Translation: Biden increases the Black Ass Kissing
“You have failed to prove that ANYONE in America is racist - but even if we accept your (unproven) premise about “asking” and “rejecting,” it still doesn’t prove that Whites are “guiltier” of racism than Blacks.”
...not trying to prove anything at all. I think reasonable people will see I’m right, that’s all. As I think I said before, the question is: is the evidence good enough to go on? I would say, way better than that.
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