Posted on 08/21/2022 8:19:25 AM PDT by Callahan
Regardless he is the current president of the United States. That is the reality.
You will have a hard time forcing women to keep the rapist baby
You take wins and keep working at it
Overturning Roe and saving 99.9% in those states will outlaw is a huge win and will save millions of babies
Convincing women who’ve been raped to keep the baby at this juncture of that win in my opinion is foolish
That will take time
DeSantis and his media team might be on to something by refusing to speak to the corporate media at all.
It’s a tough calculus though if you don’t have the name recognition that DeSantis has. She had to know that Newsweek would twist her words (which they did), but she also needs to get some fraction of the votes of the independent, low-information voters, and name recognition is huge with that segment of the electorate.
My guess is that she’s toast this cycle, but it’s a long game, and there will be other races that will benefit from the work done on this race.
We should have compassion for the pregnant rape victim, but not to the point of killing an innocent child.
Not necessary to convince them to KEEP the baby, only that it is wrong to KILL the baby. To give life instead of taking it.
Roe being overturned didn't outlaw abortion - what it did was leave the decisions up to 'the people' of each state.
Using 'the people' is how I'd thread the needle - let 'the people' vote on the issue. Rather than our representatives voting on it each state should put it on the ballot with 6 options.(or 12 or whatever) Option one: Life begins at conception. 2. Life begins at quickening (15 to 16 weeks) 3. All abortions will be outlawed. 4 All abortions will be legal. 5 Abortions will only be legal if the life of the mother is involved or in cases of rape or incest. 6. Abortion should not be allowed after: first month, second month third month fourth month ect etc etc..
The only other question on the ballot would be: Should the outcome of this election apply to the whole state or to each county as the citizens of that county voted?
In short - trust the people.
In the old days we had some counties that were 'dry' and others where beer could be bought but only after noon on a Sunday... etc etc. There's no consensus on this issue - allow laws to reflect that reality.
Only if you do not even pay attention to the fact the Tudor Dixon is a woman, not a guy, and is also the product of a rape.
In other words, you have committed what I have done when I speak without fully reading an article before responding. 🙂
U R Right.
Keep an eye on what Richard Baris has to say aka @peoples_punit on this. Find him on Twitter, Gettr for his podcast etc.
His research on rape/incest and it's rarity in surveys is running against the flow of the dominant media etc. Witmer is reviled by many here in MI, yet IMHO Tutor's stance will turn off the over-educated suburbanites to loosely paraphrase Baris.
I don't think this is a done deal. One of my tea party contacts who is well known really likes the Lt Gov., That carries a lot of weight for me.
Again Baris is the GOAT, if you are not listening to his podcast you are missing the cutting edge stuff...
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/miscarriage/
https://publish.uwo.ca/~kennedyt/t108.pdf
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198807283190401
https://ask.metafilter.com/203529/What-of-fertilized-human-eggs-die
30-40% of Fertilized eggs never implant in the uterus.
Hence my personal belief that life begins when implantation happens.
But like I said, I still respect those that believe life begins at conception.
We’re all suppose to be on the same side here and even more so on this topic.
So what exactly am I a liar about??
My personal beliefs?
I respect the conception believers?
Or many fertilized eggs fail to implant and are flushed from the womb?
She's not a Todd Akin, who put a "Kick me!" sign on his own back with his politically stupid rape comments.
Maybe she needs to put out an ad where she talks about being a product of rape and how she overcame it, it would send a powerful message.
But the MOST important moral of the story is to NEVER talk about rape with the MSM…
Clayton Williams is Exhibit A for that one.
Sorry, that's not a winning issue for us. Roe v. Wade was repealed by votes for Republicans, and it can easily be reinstated by votes for Democrats. We won't stay in office by expending money and energy to advance policies not shared by a majority of voters, such as denying abortions to women whose pregnancies were the result of rape or incest.
Gallup poll: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
Should abortion be legal in the first trimester when the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest?
2018 May 1-10
Yes: 77%
No: 21%
No opinion: 2%
For now, we should just take the win for Roe V. Wade.
I agree but we don’t get everything at once and I think this particular issue about rape or incest is one of those rare instances where I agree with the squishes
It does affect less ardent republican voters and gives fodder to our foes even though morally you are correct
It’s political which I realize doesn’t set well with purists
It’s all for sound and fury sake anyhow
Any raped lady can go to an open state and have it done and likely paid for especially if she’s got a police report
Travel reimbursed by some fem group id wager
Right over your head...Open your heart to the Truth of what this person said about abortion.
The correct Answer to stupid questions like this is “would you be OK to abortion ban if it allowed exception for rape and incest incest?”
They will never answer that question because they want abortion under any conditions at any time up until the moment of birth and sometimes afterwards.
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