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The Vineyard of the Saker ^ | Aug. 27, 2022 | Pepe Escobar,

Posted on 08/27/2022 4:29:38 PM PDT by Vlad0

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To: kiryandil
Weird how no one else on this thread [and probably most of Free Republic] knew that.

Weird how all the Freepers who claim that Russia is a beacon of sanity because they are anti-gay, and would never support things like atheism or religions other than Christianity are so ignorant that they missed the truth about Russia.

And how about the Chechen guys that fight for Putin? They're an a jihad against Christians.

41 posted on 08/27/2022 8:57:12 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Right!


42 posted on 08/27/2022 10:52:10 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: SpeedyInTexas; Travis McGee
RuZZia legalized gay sex in 1993.

Be careful about spreading LGBT propaganda in Russia.

http://www.globalequality.org/component/content/article/1-in-the-news/186-the-facts-on-lgbt-rights-in-russia

This fact sheet summarizes the developments in Russia and the guidance that we have received to date from our colleagues in Russia.

LGBT People Are Being Targeted by Anti-LGBT Propaganda and Foreign Agents Laws

Following the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia liberalized some of its anti-LGBT laws. Most notably, homosexual relationships were decriminalized in 1993. Transgender Russians have also been allowed to change their legal gender on identity documents since 1997, although there are many obstacles to the process and invasive surgical requirements remain in place. Despite these liberalization trends during the immediate post-Soviet period, in recent years, Russian authorities have routinely denied permits for Pride parades, intimidated and arrested LGBT activists and condoned anti-LGBT statements by government officials. ILGA-Europe, the European section of the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, rates Russia as the least protective country in Europe for LGBT citizens, ranking it 49th out of the 49 European countries rated in its annual survey.

In June 2013, the Russian duma in Moscow passed a new law banning the “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships” to minors. The new federal law is closely related to several regional laws that were already on the books, all of which seek to penalize “propaganda” of homosexuality, generally with the intent of “protecting” minors. The city of Sochi, which is the site of the upcoming Winter Olympics, has one of those regional laws in place. And while the regional laws are not uniform, like the new federal law, they all tend to advance vague definitions of propaganda that lend themselves to the targeting and ongoing persecution of the country’s LGBT community. The language of this new law focuses on “non-traditional” sexual relationships, to contrast with “traditional values” or “traditional family” language that Russia is promoting at the UN to oppose positive statements supporting the human rights of LGBT people.

The federal anti-LGBT propaganda law, as signed by President Putin on June 29, entered into force in Russia on June 30 of this year. (The official version in Russian is published here.) In the federal law, propaganda is defined as: “distribution of information that is aimed at the formation among minors of nontraditional sexual attitudes, attractiveness of non- traditional sexual relations, misperceptions of the social equivalence of traditional and non-traditional sexual relations, or enforcing information about non-traditional sexual relations that evokes interest to such relations . . . .”

The new law sets administrative fines for LGBT propaganda at 4,000 to 5,000 rubles for individuals (about $120 - $150 U.S. dollars) and up to 800,000 to 1 million rubles for NGOs, corporations or other legal entities (about $24,000 - $30,000 U.S. dollars). More severe administrative fines are allowed for propaganda transmitted via the Internet or other media networks or by a foreign citizen. Foreigners are also subject to 15 days of prison and deportation from Russia.


43 posted on 08/27/2022 11:26:59 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: kiryandil; Cathi

Id be careful with stats like that.

One can just as easily point out that IQs dropping coincides with the overreliance of the internet and digital tools.

Can’t do math? Not a problem as our phones have calculator apps. Can’t tell the time? Phone can. Can’t manage your diary? Apps remind you.

Want to know the truth about something? Find a biased blog that’s done all the research for you (and conveniently confirms what you thought might be the answer.) Just avoid the counter-narrative, and stick to the echo chamber.

Idiocracy is a byproduct of intellectual laziness. IQs were higher when people had to think for themselves and do their own research.

And, when IQs were higher, people didn’t trust professionally manufactured, industrialised Russian propaganda more than they trusted domestic news.

Investigative MSM journalism in the higher IQ days involved robust legwork, painstaking research, tough questions and personal risk.

Modern MSM journalism is dumbed down - less about investigation, more about aggregation and parroting. So you get an implausible story from an unreliable source and suddenly it gains credence just through the quantity of regurgitation.


44 posted on 08/28/2022 3:04:03 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: Navy Patriot

100% agree.


45 posted on 08/28/2022 3:04:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vlad0

Your #20 nails it.


46 posted on 08/28/2022 3:07:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BobL; marcusmaximus; dennisw; familyop; PIF; ought-six; MalPearce; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ...

“Russia outlawed Grooming of little children, so that, no doubt, angered a bunch of people here.”

So was this before or after the infamous incident where Putin decided to kiss a young boy on the belly in public?


47 posted on 08/28/2022 3:08:11 AM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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To: MalPearce; All

It has been suggested that in Muslim countries there may be an IQ problem because of all the second and first cousin marriages.


48 posted on 08/28/2022 3:11:15 AM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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To: Cathi

“happened because once Putin made it clear that it would happen unless the West met Russia’s legitimate demands about the Donbass”

Geg it into your thick heads.

Russia NEVER had any legitimate demands and doesn’t even have any legitimate security concerns.

None whatsoever.

It has feigned paranoia and faked a narrative of ongoing genocide against ethnic Russians purely to cover up the very simple fact that it wanted all of South Ukraine for itself but its signature on the Budapest Memorandum made it impossible for them to get it without losing all credibility as a UNSC guarantor.

It only had two ways to get what it wanted - secession of the Oblasts it was after (which would then leave them totally unprotected by Budapest), and/or a successful takeover through an enabling puppet leadership in Kyiv.

Yanukovych was outed as a Kremlin stooge, as was Azarov. With both exposed, the puppet leadership was a bust.

That left a second avenue, to orchestrate separatist takeovers in the oblasts, with Strelkov and other agitators.

They didn’t escalate to a Special Military Operation while Poroshenko was in office -why? Because it suited Russia that Minsk 1 was stalled. They wanted the breakaway Oblasts to set the pace.

They escalated in 2022 after 3 years of decreasing conflict in the Donbas, clarification on the NATO expansion (in their favor), constitutional amendments to allow Oblasts greater influence on language and culture, and the removal by elections of the pro-Azov politicians.

Why?

Because their Little Green Men strategy was on the ropes, and Minsk 2 was clearly progressing in a direction that would’ve scuppered the backdoor annexation.

It’s bullshit. NATO expansion worries are bullshit. Genocide fears were bullshit. Restoring a brotherly relationship with Ukraine is laughable bullshit. Denazification is bullshit.

The one thing that is NOT bullshit is, Russia covets Ukraine’s coast, grain, mineral assets, technology and manufacturing capabilities, and manpower. It’s priced up the host of war, it’s priced up the trillions of rubles it stands to gain, and it decided the likely benefit outweighed the likely cost.


49 posted on 08/28/2022 3:30:31 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce

Do you work for the Ukrainian Ministry of Truth? Sure sounds like it.


50 posted on 08/28/2022 3:48:34 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Cathi

“That doesn’t sound like he (Trump) welcomes NATO expansion, does it?”

He has explicitly welcomed Finland and Sweden into NATO.

“He does not engage in wars”

In reality he did in several countries during his Presidency, notably in Iraq and Syria against ISIS.

“If Trump had been president this “special military operation” would not have ever happened”

During his first meeting with Putin, it is reported that he warned Putin that if he invaded the Ukraine, then the USA would bomb Moscow, and “all of those beautiful golden domes would be gone.”


51 posted on 08/28/2022 3:56:51 AM PDT by BeauBo ( )
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To: gleeaikin

“So was this before or after the infamous incident where Putin decided to kiss a young boy on the belly in public?”

Is that the best you guys can do?


52 posted on 08/28/2022 4:00:28 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: Travis McGee

So this supposedly noncommunist country is run for 22 years by a former KGB agent. It renames plazas and streets after Lenin and Rosa Luxemburg. It arrest people on the streets of Moscow for waving posters opposing the criminal invasion of Ukraine. It has invaded both the Republic of Georgia and Ukraine and constantly threatens its neighbors with both nuclear and conventional forces. Its political leaders seriously discuss taking Alaska. It’s cult of personality leader has a true net worth of 200 billion according to Elin Musk. But hey what about that flat tax for the little people?


53 posted on 08/28/2022 4:17:10 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: Vlad0
The European "leadership" destroyed the European nations by opening the floodgates to terrorist immigrant hordes from Africa, Middle East, and every other cesspool on the planet.

The native people have no say in their national affairs.

Elections are rigged, just as they are in the USA.

Their economies are in shambles, due to the bumbling and corruption of the EU.

They are ripe for the taking, and Russia is sitting right there, and has all the leverage, via petroleum, coal, grain, timber, and common sense.

Europe is kaput. Russia might as well take it.

54 posted on 08/28/2022 4:34:35 AM PDT by meadsjn (, )
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To: Monterrosa-24

But the Russians don’t support the W.E.F./Soros/Scwab/Globo Homo agenda, and for that, blind minions in the West are brainwashed 24/7 to hate them.

New Russian Military Cathedral

https://i.imgur.com/uHxpKUC.jpg


55 posted on 08/28/2022 4:38:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vlad0

Why is a site registered in the US in 2015-2016 using an Iceland country code (.is)? Who is herbswanson@gmail.com?

Russian propaganda.


56 posted on 08/28/2022 4:40:15 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: kiryandil

Yes Bob L is right, in fact brilliant. The hatred of Russia has nothing to do with Putin’s all out military assault on Ukraine.

Or that Putin is a dictator who murders journalists and political opponents throughout Europe.

Nope ignore all that, it’s really because Putin (who famously licked the belly of a small boy and is said to be a degenerate) is running an anti-child grooming, conservative Christian paradise.

Because as we all know, authoritarian rule, murder, and military assaults epitomize Christian virtue.


57 posted on 08/28/2022 5:55:54 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: freeandfreezing; kiryandil; All
The Truth about Russia and Subjugated Chechens, will come least of all from you.
58 posted on 08/28/2022 6:06:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Monterrosa-24; Travis McGee; All
So this supposedly noncommunist country is run for 22 years by a former KGB agent.

It just fries you that a Russian could work through the required (for Political careers), Communist Party membership, Commissar Bureaucracy and KGB to guide Russia away from Communism, and Capitalistically make money doing so, while you couldn't save a free and armed American Citizenry from the Communist Democrat Party and their MSM Propaganda arm.

Aside from your snide fail on the obvious anti Socialist nature of the Flat Tax, have you the slightest ECONOMIC evidence that Russia is a Communist country?

Because that is what Communism is about, Economics.

59 posted on 08/28/2022 6:34:33 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

Great point.

This discussion reminds me of an old joke from the Cold War era.

An American and a Russian are seated next to each other on a Pan Am flight leaving Moscow for New York.

The American asks the Russian, “What are you going to do in America?”

The Russian says, “I’m going to study American propaganda methods.”

The American says, “What American propaganda methods?”

The Russian replies, “Exactly.”


60 posted on 08/28/2022 6:39:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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