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The Vineyard of the Saker ^ | Aug. 27, 2022 | Pepe Escobar,

Posted on 08/27/2022 4:29:38 PM PDT by Vlad0

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To: PIF
He's probably using a hosing service in Iceland, because dissident sites in the USA are always being shut down by their domain registrars. This happened to Parler, for heaven's sake! As well as Gab, and many others. It's done at the express request of the Regime in Washington in most cases.

Imagine the audacity to shut down Parler in the month before the Presidential Election, when it was gaining millions of users a week in the wake of Twitter and Facebook banning the opposition party candidate (President Donald J. Trump).

So, what are the chances that the Biden Occupation Government would let the obviously pro-Russian Vineyard of the Saker site remain online if the registrar is Go Daddy, or Network Solutions or some USA based hosting company?

The proprietor of the Saker is not anonymous at all, his full biography is on the site if you are interested.

Is it propaganda? Well, it depends what your definition of propaganda is. If you take the broad definition:

A concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people.

Then yes, I would say that the writers have a common view and are pitching it. Almost every newspaper or magazine under this definition is propaganda. Fox News is propaganda, so is CNN, so is The New York Times.

If you take a common tigher definition that it is a government directly trying to influence people, sometimes covertly (like the CIA starting foreign language magazines in foreign countries in the 1950s) well, then, in my judgement it's not. But of course such things are hard to know if the sponsoring government doesn't want you to know it. So, I can't say for sure.

Most of the writers on the site are writing under their own names, many of them are pretty well known as writers - from the financial segment, in several cases. For instance Gonzolo Lira:

Gonzalo Ángel Quintilio Lira López is a Chilean-American novelist, film director, financial blogger, YouTuber, and commentator in the manosphere known as Coach Red Pill. A resident of Kharkiv, Ukraine. He is a graduate of Dartmouth College.
. So, not a Russian national, nor of Russian heritage.

Pepe Escobar is well enough known to have a Wikipedia biography:

Pepe Escobar (born 1954) is a Brazilian journalist and geopolitical analyst. His column "The Roving Eye" for Asia Times regularly discusses the multi-national "competition for dominance over the Middle East and Central Asia."

In 2011, journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave described Escobar as "well known for breaking stories in the Arab and Muslim worlds."[4] Escobar has reported extensively from Afghanistan and Pakistan.[5] In August 2000, the Taliban arrested Escobar and two other journalists and confiscated their film, accusing them of taking photos at a soccer match.[6] On August 30, 2001, his column in The Asia Times warned about the danger of Osama bin Laden in a piece that has been called "prophetic."[5][7][8] Escobar's 2001 interview with Afghanistan's leading opposition commander against the Taliban Ahmad Shah Massoud was also widely quoted.

His October 26, 2001 piece for Asia Times, "Anatomy of a 'terrorist' NGO," described the history and methods of the Al Rashid Trust. This has been cited by researchers at the USAF Counterproliferation Center (2003), at Stanford University (2012), and in the 2006 book Alms for Jihad.

So, in summary The Vineyard of the Saker tends to publish non-American journalists. The Saker is pro-Russian, and all of the writers on the site are at least somewhat sympathetic to the Russian side in the current Russia vs. Ukraine war.

As far as the name on the gmail address of the URL holder, in my experience these are often held by lead web developers for professional sites like the Vineyard.

Do you find something significant about it, or are you just wowing us with your doxing skills?

81 posted on 08/29/2022 1:16:04 PM PDT by Vlad0
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To: Vlad0

The proprietor of the Saker is not anonymous at all, his full biography is on the site if you are interested.

How do you know that essay is real? A fiction?

A random internet site (Saker) is not equal to a social network site (Parler) and hardly worth the trouble.

Lots of conflation in your reply (Pablo E.).

Thanks for the snark - very bracing - yes, we love Russian propaganda sites like Saker. And those that post them.

Glad you view every site like FOX and others as propaganda - we all know that the only really truthful sites/outlets are to be found in Russia. May as well include FR - heck why not?


82 posted on 08/29/2022 1:42:41 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Travis McGee
"Totally agree. Maybe some of them are just rigidly locked into their 40-year-old Cold War hatred of the Communist USSR, long extinct. Hard to say. But just imagine the United States building a Military Cathedral today, as opposed to a shrine to Woke LGBTQ+ depravity. I know that the USAF Academy Chapel does have a “Wicca” section. As do many U.S. military bases. Just imagine the 2022 American version of a military cathedral. Side chapels for full-term abortion, child “trans” surgery, gay sex, etc. Not in Hungary or Russia. That’s why American libs are going insane. Just can’t understand the freepers who agree with our proggys."

Actually the Left opposes Putin as he is competition to world dominion, and both are anti-Christ. Both have their forms of state churches, and both oppose any who will not salute their agenda, in particular evangelicals, as Putin forbids all from sharing their faith aside from sanction by his state church. Which the Left presently can only wish they would do, but lusts to do so. Spending money it does not have is part of the strategy.

eans "consolidating the efforts of parliamentarians and the Russian Orthodox Church" which itself persecutes all others. If Putin was really in favor of religious freedom he would protect it for those outside the LBG Russian Orthodox church.

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Moscow church destroyed in sign of new Russian repression Posted on Sep 26, 2012 | by Jill Nelson

MOSCOW (BP) -- It was in the early hours of the morning on Sept. 6 when Pastor Vasili Romanyuk's phone rang. A group of men backed by local police were demolishing his Holy Trinity Pentecostal Church, housed in a three-story building nestled in a Moscow suburb. As word spread, congregants arrived at the scene hoping to save the building, but their efforts were futile. By dawn the church was in ruins and some of its most valuable contents were missing.

An isolated incident? A misunderstanding? Analysts watching the current climate in the former Cold War country don't think so: "This destruction of the church is about as concrete of evidence as you can get that something very bad and very troubling is taking place," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "This could not have happened without the backing, support, and implicit blessing of the police."

The incident is just one sign of deteriorating freedoms in Russia, and behind the scenes a cozy relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church has raised more than a few eyebrows. As President Vladimir Putin digs into his third term, a number of Kremlin crackdowns involving vague interpretations of the country's extremism law and other human-rights abuses are troubling signs that the country has slipped into a familiar, repressive era.

"When you have unknown people backed by the police coming out at midnight to begin tearing down a church, you know something doesn't smell right," Lantos Swett said.

Officials evicted Holy Trinity Church from its original building in 1995 and relocated the church to the eastern Moscow suburb. The congregation used its own funds to construct a new building and repeatedly battled officials over permits. The church demolition and its history reflect an emerging pattern: Authorities confiscate land from non-favored religious communities and force the congregation to relocate to a remote suburb, the religious leaders apply for permits that are subsequently denied, and officials confiscate (once again) or demolish the relocated congregation, citing lack of proper documentation.

Pastor Romanyuk and a small group of the church's 550 congregants arrived on site around 3:30 a.m. as about 45 men claiming to be civil volunteers blocked them from the building and threw stones. "When I arrived, I just burst into tears," 25-year-old Natalya Cherevichinik told The Moscow Times as she surveyed the destruction. "I couldn't believe that something that had been built over several years could be destroyed in a few hours."

Russian Evangelicals Leery of Orthodox Church, Friday, December 30, 2011:

class="adjusted">MOSCOW, Russia -- For decades, the Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted under the Soviet Union's Communist Party.

Since the early 1990s, the church has grown in size and influence as its relationship with the Russian government has improved significantly.

However, that cozy relationship worries the country's evangelicals.

Threats Against Evangelicals

For eight years, Yuri Sipko ran one of the largest Baptist organizations in Russia. Now, 20 years after the fall of Communism, he worries about the growing threats against the country's evangelical movement.

"The collapse of Communism was supposed to usher in an era of greater religious freedom, but I'm concerned we are moving in the wrong direction," Sipko said.

What makes the Russian evangelicals very concerned is an emerging relationship between the Russian government and the Russian Orthodox Church.

"For example, the government recently introduced religious classes based on the principals of the Orthodox Church in public schools," Sipko said.

"Then late last year, the Russian president announced an initiative to appoint Orthodox chaplains to all army units," he said. "Our constitution clearly states no religion can be the state religion."

Russia Church-State Relations

Russia watchers credit two men, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, for elevating the church's prominence. The state media has also played a key role, often showing the leaders attending church services.

Sergey Ryakhovski knows both men well. As head of Russia's Pentecostal Union, he meets regularly with top government and Orthodox Church leaders.

Ryakhovski worries that the Orthodox Church's influence is coming at the expense of religious freedom, especially for minority groups such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists.

"There are so many laws and by-laws that regulate religious life in Russia," Ryakhovski said. "For example, evangelical Christians just can't go out and buy a church building or buy a piece of land to build a church."

"Plus, criticizing or challenging the Orthodox Church is not a task for all," he added.

Orthodox Church Revival

The Russian Orthodox Church on the other hand has had it easy in recent times after decades of state persecution.

Church buildings that were destroyed during the Soviet era have been rebuilt with Russian taxpayer money. In the past 20 years, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars restoring some 23,000 churches.

Most Russians say they belong to the Orthodox Church. Yet CBN News found mixed reactions on the streets of Moscow to the growing bond between church and state

At Expense of All Others, Putin Picks a Church

By CLIFFORD J. LEVY Published: April 24, 2008

STARY OSKOL, Russia —

It was not long after a Methodist church put down roots here that the troubles began.

First came visits from agents of the F.S.B., a successor to the K.G.B., who evidently saw a threat in a few dozen searching souls who liked to huddle in cramped apartments to read the Bible and, perhaps, drink a little tea. Local officials then labeled the church a “sect.” Finally, last month, they shut it down.

There was a time after the fall of Communism when small Protestant congregations blossomed here in southwestern Russia, when a church was almost as easy to set up as a general store. Today, this industrial region has become emblematic of the suppression of religious freedom under President Vladimir V. Putin.

Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin’s surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. They have all but banned proselytizing by Protestants and discouraged Protestant worship through a variety of harassing measures, according to dozens of interviews with government officials and religious leaders across Russia.

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In contrast,

the early days of the American experiment the famous French Catholic political thinker and historian, Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) best known for his two volume, "Democracy in America") attested,

Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country. <

The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable. They all differ in respect to the worship which is due to the Creator; but they all agree in respect to the duties which are due from man to man. Each sect adores the Deity in its own peculiar manner, but all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God...Moreover, all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same...

n the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth...

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live... Thus religious zeal is perpetually warmed in the United States by the fires of patriotism. These men do not act exclusively from a consideration of a future life; eternity is only one motive of their devotion to the cause. If you converse with these missionaries of Christian civilization, you will be surprised to hear them speak so often of the goods of this world, and to meet a politician where you expected to find a priest. (Democracy in America, [New York: A. S. Barnes & Co., 1851), pp. 331, 332, 335, 336-7, 337; http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/religion/ch1_17.htm)

And Benjamin Franklin also advertised,

And the Divine Being seems to have manifested His approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness by which the different sects treat each other, and by the remarkable prosperity with which He has been please to favor the whole country. (Benjamin Franklin, "Information to those who would Remove to America" In Franklin, Benjamin. The Bagatelles from Passy. Ed. Lopez, Claude A. New York: Eakins Press. 1967; http://mith.umd.edu//eada/html/display.php?docs=franklin_bagatelle4.xml. Also, John Gould Curtis, American history told by contemporaries .... Volume 3, p. 26)

We cannot doubt that the Russian Orthodox Church is an arm of the government. It's infiltration and control by the KGB is quite well known, and its corruption is just as extreme as any other sector of the "post"-Communist society of Russia. For example: "Kirill, who was the Metropolitan of Smolensk, succeeds Alexei II who died in December after 18 years as head of the Russian Church. According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies. As head of the church’s department of foreign church relations, Kirill gained the reputation of a relatively enlightened church leader. He met with Pope Benedict, and he has been attacked by church conservatives for “ecumenism.”Snip... http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/20/putin-solzhenitsyn-kirill-russia-opinions-contributors_orthodox_church.html


83 posted on 08/29/2022 7:15:14 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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