Posted on 09/12/2022 5:57:58 AM PDT by JonPreston
No problem
If Russia was as good at war as at propaganda, they would have won already.
And then Azov began that massive artillery attack on the Donbass as soon as Russia recognized their Declaration of Independence.
Now that’s a bit of twisted and comical reasoning
No
Putin’s ego started this debacle
Ukraine did not attack Russia, nor was it making preparations to do so. So why, exactly, was Zelensky supposed to negotiate? And what was he supposed to negotiate about? Ukraine's surrender?
No it doesn’t
People looking for a way to blame anyone other than Putin
Poor poor Jon.
Sit down for a minute. Take a deep breath. Get yourself
prepared. Read on when you’ve braced yourself.
Vladimir Putin order 100-150,000 troops across the border into
the Ukraine earlier this year.
Zelensky hasn’t invaded any nation.
Are you okay? Do you need us to call someone for you?
This is Vlaidimir Putin’s war, and there’s no amount of
B. S. propaganda you can spread by the tractor trailer
load that is going to change that.
Deal with it, and try to grow up.
Real Americans don’t cheer on the actual enemies running the United States and conducting neocon proxy wars for a world government.. I suggest you worry more about your own enemy Justin Turdeau.
NATO launched its air campaign against Yugoslavia in an attempt to force President Milosevic to accept the terms of an agreement to end his military campaign against the Kosovo Liberation Army, which involved widespread ethnic cleansing and killings of Kosovo Albanian civilians.
It was a very poorly executed mission with significant civilian casualties - but it was in response to an ACTIVE genocide in progress.
The difference between that and this is, Russia was conned into launching an operation in the Donbass on two LIES from its proxies.
Lie 1: that there was an ongoing genocide, continuous since 2014. This is debunked even by the DPR’s own Human Rights Ombudsman, who stated repeatedly that the genocide had ended with the (wobbly) armistice in 2019. In fact, for three straight years, the annual civilian death toll didn’t even hit three figures. That’s not the UN or Ukraine figure - that’s the figure sent by the Donbass People’s Republic to the Kremlin.
Lie 2: that Zelenskyy was getting all this investment from so many countries in order to LAUNCH an invasion. If the Kremlin had actually looked into their own intelligence reports, they would’ve seen that the vast amount of help Ukraine was getting was of a DEFENSIVE and PREPARATORY nature - not extending the offensive capabilities.
The Putinards are so dumb they can’t even see the massive contradiction between both elements of the causus belli. If the alleged genocide was in fact an ongoing one, then Z already had launched a campaign. If the declaration of independence was because of an IMMINENT invasion, then clearly Z hadn’t launched a campaign.
Schrodinger’s Genocide. It’s either already happening, but bizarrely there’s no evidence for it, or it’s about to happen and there’s no real evidence for that either.
The one thing that could’ve straightened it out would’ve been if Putin had just picked up the damned phone and talked to Zelenskyy- and LISTENED if he was told Pushilin was making shit up.
That assumes of course that Putin really could’ve been that easily conned by Pushilin.
I don’t think Putin is that gullible. Far more likely story is, the Kremlin told Pushilin to tell Pasechnik to tell the FSB to tell the Kremlin to tell Putin what Putin had asked the Kremlin to ensure came back to him.
It’s amazing how the Ukraine backers gloss over the rampant deep state corruption / bribery / money laundering / and likely cia’s illegal activity in Ukraine, all before this war ever started. Now, Ukraine, and the leaders put in place by Soros and the globohomos are saints who we just keep shoveling money and equipment to while our own borders are wide open and our citizens can’t get baby formula.
Sick people the neocons are.
Please explain why you still support Bush’s war given the disaster it was? Also, why on earth do you stand behind Biden’s foreign policy? Is this the only Biden policy you support?
Neocons didn’t start this war.
Vladimir Putin sent 100-150,000 of his troops into the
Ukraine.
Not Soros, not Biden, not Obama, not Klaus Schwab did.
When you grasp that, then start trying to talk to folks
as if you did.
Russia is the practitioner of military adventurism here,
and those who support him are Russian neocons.
I took a break of several years because of that. I came back to have discussions with like-minded people since our country was in distress with the Biden-Obama takeover. I knew there’d always be the few requisite jerks, but good grief. The vax-pushers are a nuisance, and they’re loud, but there aren’t many of them. But the Zelensky Fan Club is ridiculous.
And it's amazing how some people post dozens of articles from questionable sites, with just minutes between many of the threads - it really does appear to be some kind of for-profit operation.
Exactly. I wouldn’t even mind a thread or even two a day as I can respect several opinions when they’re presented thoughtfully and respectfully. But these people daily sling propaganda articles one after another like a gorilla enthusiastically slinging many handfuls of his poo, and so many of the followers are shrill and yappy like a gaggle of chihuahuas, yipping and nipping at your ankles when you point out their spammy ways. They’re destroying the site, IMO.
“...neocon proxy wars for a world government...”
Those favoring a world gov have always felt comfy with the Hammer and Sickle flag. The Ukrainians are taking down those Hammer and Sickle flags and running up their national flag as they kick the followers of Lenin out of town after town.
Real Americans love the Spirit of ‘76. It is embodied in the Ukrainian armed forces.
Putin invaded.
That’s the fact, you can’t deal with.
Bush didn’t do it.
You are a mental midget.
Deflecting a situation you can’t deal with, isn’t going
to accomplish anything more than make you look like and
even bigger fool than you have proven yourself to be,
if that’s even possible.
Not Biden, Obama, Soros, or Klaus Schwab sent 100-150,000
troops into the Ukraine.
Do you know who did? You’ve been kissing his ass for
about six months now.
Please explain why you still support Bush’s war given the disaster it was? Also, why on earth do you stand behind Biden’s foreign policy? Is this the only Biden policy you support?
Poor Jon.
We had that debate in the 2000 to 2008 time frame, and
beyond.
Sorry you missed it.
Your war you have been wearing around you neck, is a
disaster for Russia, on the back of Putin.
Yes they did and they were trying to start this war since 2014. Surely you have seen the videos of neocons McCain and Graham in Ukraine meeting with the Azovs and trying to get them to attack Russia. The words came right out of their mouths.
Yes, Russia invaded them, but not without a lot of provocation by western influence ramping up a war to implement the great reset.
The truth is on video and yet people ignore it.
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