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Medvedev describes Kiev’s draft of "security guarantees" as prologue to WW III
Tass ^ | 9/13/22 | Tass

Posted on 09/13/2022 4:30:52 PM PDT by hardspunned

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To: TheEditor

Bravo, and a fine ass that was.


21 posted on 09/13/2022 5:15:33 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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22 posted on 09/13/2022 5:21:56 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Williams

As usual you’ve proven your inability to read. Where was that megatonnage threatened in the article? Escalation isn’t something you ride at the mall. Escalation has been occurring over the the last six months exactly as predicted. You’re too busy dining at your media masters’ trough to look up and notice. It is about to be escalated by the Russians for the first time. Oh, never mind, here they come with another shovel full for your trough.


23 posted on 09/13/2022 5:22:41 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Williams

“I think stupid is idiots who predict fantastic ultimate realties as certainties.”

That’s what you just did in your full post.

Are you a stupid idiot according to your metrics?


24 posted on 09/13/2022 5:25:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: jacknhoo

Russia will strike at NATO staging areas to stop these tide turning weapon systems. This is an escalation that, if responded to, will continue the spiral. We aren’t that many rungs on the ladder away from theater nukes or EMP or some such.


25 posted on 09/13/2022 5:27:22 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: ought-six

“ Put down the bong.”

________

Did you think of that response all by yourself? Of course, you did.


26 posted on 09/13/2022 5:32:07 PM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: SES1066

NATO (corrupt Obama gang) has been running Ukraine since 2012. I’m sure they’ve been a perfect neighbor. Imagine Mexico and Russia announcing that Mexico is about to become the thirtieth Warsaw Pact nation, Britain and Canada being 28 and 29. This would be announced by Putin and the new Russian installed Mexican stooge president. Imagine that happening in 2017. What would Trump have done? That is a 100% correct analogy.


27 posted on 09/13/2022 5:35:47 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
Installed and operated by Soviets:


28 posted on 09/13/2022 5:39:18 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: hardspunned
The best weaponry NATO has is taking a dire toll.

The best weaponry NATO has is not in Ukraine. They are mostly getting a bunch of cold war era crap, ex-Soviet weapons and a relative handful of modern MLRS and artillery. We have held back on western Main Battle Tanks, Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Fighter and Attack Jets, combat drones or air defense systems other than MANPADS. We're giving them just enough to defend themselves and very, very little of "our best". The most modern weapons we have provided are intelligence, surveillance and planning.

29 posted on 09/13/2022 5:50:44 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: hardspunned

You do realize that Ukraine was not even offered the chance to join NATO, and knew it was years away at a minimum, when Putin attacked?


30 posted on 09/13/2022 5:56:13 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Ukraine’s chances of joining NATO are Slim and None, and Slim just left town.


31 posted on 09/13/2022 6:12:44 PM PDT by TheEditor
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To: hardspunned

Do the security guarantees also go for people in the Donbass who don’t want to be pounded with artillery any longer from the Ukrainians? Or be ethically cleansed?


32 posted on 09/13/2022 6:27:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Alas Babylon!

They also gave them 80 brand spanking new MIG-21 supersonic fighters, the newest and most modern fighter the USSR had, and hundreds of MIG-15/17s from USSR and China. That on top of 35 SAM Battalions, tanks, artillery, etc. But somehow we refrained from attacking them with nuclear weapons.


33 posted on 09/13/2022 6:29:43 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: ETCM

Well, AFU has received *some* of our best stuff. We sent them at least on COBRA unit recently. Which is sweeeet. We’ve already seen rashists posting on social media complaining about counterfire coming back at them in 60 seconds.

Real easy way for this war to end: Russia can just go home.


34 posted on 09/13/2022 6:42:37 PM PDT by TheEditor
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To: hardspunned

He’s a drama queen, and those are not our best weapons.


35 posted on 09/13/2022 6:43:47 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: DesertRhino
Or be ethically cleansed?

LOL, learning the language of the country you live in, is now 'ethically cleansed'. Okay

36 posted on 09/13/2022 7:15:33 PM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: TheEditor

Right, they do have 1 COBRA, expecting 5 eventually. Those 5 will still only cover a tiny fraction of the front lines. They should get their first western air defense system by the end of the year, a German IRIS-T system. It should be enough to defend 1 medium size city.

I suspect Russia could effectively end the war by simply going back to territory they held 24 Feb. As much as Ukraine might want to fight for their 2014 borders, I suspect the west would tell them they would be on their own.


37 posted on 09/13/2022 7:41:48 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin; hardspunned; TheEditor
You do realize that Ukraine was not even offered the chance to join NATO, and knew it was years away at a minimum, when Putin attacked?

February 20, 2022:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/20/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-in-press-gaggle-2/

THE VICE PRESIDENT BUMPER-HITCH POLISHER OF THE UNITED STATES: Let me start by saying I appreciate and admire President Zelenskyy’s desire to join NATO. And one of, again, the founding principles of NATO is that each country must have the ability — unimpaired, unimpeded — to determine their own future, both in terms of their form of government and, in this case, whether they desire to be a member of NATO.

And I’ll put that in context, because the obvious is also the point, which is that: and therefore no other country can tell anyone whether they should or should not join NATO. That should be their independent choice. That is the point of sovereignty. So I respect President Zelenskyy’s desire to be a member of NATO.

NATO is a membership. It is about nations coming together as a group, making decisions collectively around, again, principles and what will be, then, the conditions and — and the standards of membership. And so that is the process.

It doesn’t happen overnight. No one country can say “I want to be, and therefore I will be.” And no one country can say “You can’t be.” And isn’t that at the heart of the very issue we’re presented with in terms of Russia’s aggression, or stated aggression, toward Ukraine?

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This is what happens when Kammy uses her mouth for things other than what Willie Brown trained it for.

Note the date, and note the start date of the Special Military Operation...

38 posted on 09/13/2022 8:54:23 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Jeebus. Putin did not pull the trigger on the invasion because of something *Kammy* said.

Please ask your doc to adjust the Thorazine dosage.


39 posted on 09/13/2022 9:38:01 PM PDT by TheEditor
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To: kiryandil

Did you happen to watch the “impeachment hearings”? Remember, when the people from the Obama gang in Kiev, NSC and State who were running Ukraine “impeached” Trump for turning over the rock they were transacting business under? What do you suppose Obama and his henchmen were doing in Kiev from 2012 on? Did you happen to notice the FALSE campaign of lies waged against Russia for the last five years and the oft and aggressively stated goal of regime change in Moscow. Of course, why would Russia mistrust NATO. Remember, “not one inch east of reunited Germany” NATO (James Baker to Gorbachev, 1991)? All this started when Putin noticed.


40 posted on 09/13/2022 9:38:47 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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