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With Nord Stream gone, where will Europe get its gas?
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Posted on 10/02/2022 5:36:16 AM PDT by FarCenter

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To: FarCenter

Whoever blew that pipeline deserves the death penalty.


61 posted on 10/02/2022 7:09:26 AM PDT by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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To: silent majority rising

The pipelines are now empty. Sea water can now flow into the ruptures effectively destroying the lines for ever

Russia lacks the technical ability and means to salvage them


62 posted on 10/02/2022 7:09:26 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: FarCenter

I’m so old I can remember when technology was used to make people’s lives better rather than worse.


63 posted on 10/02/2022 7:09:44 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: bert

Yeh, I don’t think so. ๐Ÿ˜‰


64 posted on 10/02/2022 7:11:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: metmom; All

Have been watching and investing time in what is nothing less than gargantuan Jezreel parallel coastal energy ocean called Leviathan and Tamar for years.

Europe is already okay until March and April, as the detail is cyphered at the video posted above.

(I paste again here for this page.)


This is an OS video from a guy who I don’t agree with on a number of points, but this video is still a bit informative on both the pipelines, as well as current gas storage levels the EU already has, which is enough already to last until March or April —

https://youtu.be/Xb5mB5QDUSE


However, as this was all ultimately about power and control over European economic, finance, and military policy, and using energy to achieve the goal, even some of my non-Believer colleagues were suggesting as far back as 2018, that Russia and it’s subordinate CIS structure was going to continue building it’s offensive military infrastructure, so to make a move on Israel’s Eastern Med ocean of energy. It’s already massive, but they are discovering new oil and gas reserves underneath, get this... the Jezreel/Megiddo plain!

These are very deep, but they are going for it!

There are also significant Texas based companies (one of them Cnristian), which are investing heavy right there.

So you are likely going to be proven correct soon!

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65 posted on 10/02/2022 7:13:49 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: FarCenter

I have read some environmental activist worrying about all the methane released from these pipelines.
Global warming end is now even nearer!


66 posted on 10/02/2022 7:20:19 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: bert; All

“The pipelines are now empty. Sea water can now flow into the ruptures effectively destroying the lines for ever”


You are correct.

Actually completely off through September.

Only enough methane for positive pressure at depth was in NS1 or NS2.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/new-russia-gas-halt-tighten-energy-screws-europe-2022-08-30/

Then there was this -

-The scheduled “maintenance was to last until September 4, 2022, however, my understanding is that it was stretched all the way to this —

https://www.navaltoday.com/2022/09/20/russian-navys-baltic-fleet-ships-hunt-down-enemy-subs/

Which included Russian anti-ASW anti-mine hunter “vettes” like these —

https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/06/09/russian-baltic-fleet-launches-military-maneuvers/

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2022/june/11848-two-russian-navy-s-corvettes-enter-danish-territorial-waters.html

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2022/june/11866-russian-navy-grad-missile-ship-to-join-baltic-fleet-by-yearend.html

https://youtu.be/S1NI1iOOixc

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hold-major-navy-drills-involving-all-its-fleets-2022-01-20/

... to keep NATO surface warfare surveillance assets away, even while most were clear over in the Atlantic, on a large scale non-classified 1.5 year scheduled exercise here —

MARCOM
Exercise Location - Troia, Portugal

https://mc.nato.int/media-centre/news/2022/dynamic-messenger-22-nato-unmanned-maritime-systems-exercise

Involved 18 NATO ASW / anti-sea mine vessels, and 48 published underwater assets, and included myltiple university and R&D orgs. Officially began on 25 SEP 2022.

Many of the false reports which were pervasive this past week, and predominantly originating from FSB and SVR NGO’s, claimed to have spotted NATO ASW and a.ti-mine vessels were actually in Portugal, up and around Bornholm.

I used the NATO ship numbers from the actual photos being posted as though from Bornholm I tracked from here —

https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/2013/02/military-sh

and the exact ships (location and detailed schedules) had been, and were within 150nm from Troia, Portugal.

Online photo’s of ships were real, but from all throughout the past several years.


67 posted on 10/02/2022 7:24:54 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: joma89

Others are lining up. Unfortunately Spain doesnt vote till next December, but the polling is shaping up well.

As for now, for this summer, add Sweden and Bulgaria. Some of the smaller countries are pretty based as a rule, like the Czechs and Balts.


68 posted on 10/02/2022 7:26:51 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: bert

Makes sense, but no one has said that. I have been in the industry for over 40 years and understand how we do pipelines in the US, but no one has addressed how the Russians do it. Halliburton trucked over to Russia to retool most of their Oil and Gas fields after the fall of the Soviet Union and found that they were absolutely ‘turn of the century’ equipped (turn of the nineteenth century, not twentieth). If Russia damaged them as part of a ‘false flag’, in order to blame the west and give them cover for what they are doing, then they would have left them in a situation where they could be repaired. If they cannot be repaired, then it probably was the West (or Islamic) that damaged them


69 posted on 10/02/2022 7:37:16 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: silent majority rising

We’ll see.

A Freeper on an unrelated thread used Ceaser’s phrase cui bono? who benefits?

I’ll go with the Arabs. Russia was in Syria in large measure to prevent an Arap pipeline to Europe. They thus had it in for Russia and destroyed the primary Russian effort.


70 posted on 10/02/2022 7:50:05 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: AZJeep

>>Global warming end is now even nearer!

Any little bit will help this winter.


71 posted on 10/02/2022 7:53:55 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

It will not be replaced in sufficient quantities in time to prevent the Great Reset.

Europe, you are the weakest link. Dutifully send your manufacturing to the U.S. before exiting the first world.


72 posted on 10/02/2022 7:58:44 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: metmom

I believe that is exactly what will happen.
Oil, Natural Gas - etc.

Israel just made a deal with the EU and Egypt this past week.

The timing is ironic.


73 posted on 10/02/2022 8:00:30 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: FarCenter

From eating German food?


74 posted on 10/02/2022 8:09:59 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I miss the 1950s!)
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To: FarCenter

Well, the day after the bombs a pipeline opened between Norway and Poland.

Oooh, a conspiracy? Poland finally getting revenge upon Nazi Germany?

Why the ‘Ell not? Anything to divert from the fact that BeijingBiden said that he would do it.


75 posted on 10/02/2022 8:14:16 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: Owen

Good post.

I would add that a shortfall isn’t the only problem the Euros will encounter. PRICE will be a major factor, possibly a debillitating factor.

I know someone in Sweden whose energy bill went from 20,000 krona to 140,000 krona. That’s just crazy... thought they misspoke telling me this.

If it continues as it is, families and businesses will get crushed and the consequences will be huge.

The Uke trolls assume the Euros can just suck it up... or want them to.

Goals.


76 posted on 10/02/2022 9:31:06 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: FarCenter

In desperation to keep warm this winter Europeans will be burning anything they can find creating air quality akin to the 19th century. One could hope this experience would demonstrate that the idea of renewable energy being able to sustain a modern society is a lie.


77 posted on 10/02/2022 9:38:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: AAABEST

People have to adjust their mindsets to the concept of scarcity.

There will not always be enough of things, regardless of price.

Population grows and so does gas or oil consumption. Gas and oil flow do not grow the same rate. There WILL be scarcity, and the people who have enough win. The rest lose and die.

It’s that last point that is compelling. You don’t just decide to do without. Without is death.


78 posted on 10/02/2022 9:39:31 AM PDT by Owen
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To: patriotfury

This seems to be a popular concept. The pipelines are destroyed forever!!!

Except the exterior of those pipelines are exposed to seawater 24/7 and they are the same material external as internal.

Then there is the reality that those pipe sections were exposed to seawater exterior and interior both for weeks and months during original installation.

I have seen no Gasunie or GAZPROM statements saying the pipelines are destroyed forever. I *have* seen talk of a few weeks to do a repair, once funding is decided on.


79 posted on 10/02/2022 9:45:30 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
Best to note there are only so many LNG carriers in the world,they donโ€™t get built in 6 weeks to mid Nov, and those that exist are largely already reserved bu Asia.

Saw this on aother forum: "There are 642 LNG tankers in the world"

80 posted on 10/02/2022 10:27:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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