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Ukraine's path to NATO membership gains support of 9 countries including some former Soviet Bloc states
Fox news ^ | 10/02/2022 | Paul best

Posted on 10/02/2022 2:33:29 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan says Ukrainian efforts to join NATO should be taken up “at a different time,” throwing cold water on the country’s desire to join the international alliance and potentially easing Russian tensions as President Vladimir Putin has begun accelerating rhetoric of potential nuclear war.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-administration-throws-cold-water-on-ukraine-joining-nato/ar-AA12rxgy


21 posted on 10/02/2022 5:40:33 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“Eventually.”

Lol. Not poking Putin’s like not offending Tommy in Goodfellas.

It’s not just harder for everybody to avoid poking a bear who is furiously poking himself all the damned time, it’s a waste of energy.

Butt-hurt Putin was poked by the loss in Afghanistan, Glasnost, Perestroika, Gorbchev and Scheverdnaze, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and Soviet Union, the word “independent” in the CIS, Yeltsin, Khodorkhovsky, Navalny, NATO,the EU, having his presidency interrupted by a constitutional limit, Chechnya getting ornery, Georgia getting ideas above its station, Ukraine chasing EU free trade, Zelenskyy leaving a better puppet for dust in elections, Belarus’ President being an obsequious game player, the strongest RU military leader being Kadyrov not Shiogu, Pussy Riot, and two Russian Lesbos remaining the only memorable act Russia’s ever had in Eurovision.

Putin can’t not be poked. He’s so triggered that even fresh air pokes the git. He has to have a twenty foot table to stop himself getting triggered by the smell of knock-off Hai Karate.


22 posted on 10/03/2022 5:48:07 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: laconic

Er, no. An American diplomat misspoke during he DRAFTING of the treaty and Gorbachev himself pitched the correction. The deal was to allow German reunification in a way that preserved the territorial integrity of the USSR. The deal stood only as long as the USSR existed.

In case you missed it, the USSR was a bloc that included Russia and the republics to its west. The minute the bloc was dissolved BY RUSSIA the deal vis-a-vis USSR borders was rendered redundant.

Because Russia signed off on the creation of the CIS, Poland was entirely free to join NATO and the EU if it wanted to.

Russia had signed away its veto, its opinion was irrelevant.

George Bush promised not to rub Russia’s nose jn it. And Gorbachev agreed, that pledge had been delivered.


23 posted on 10/03/2022 5:58:16 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world; its opinion is hardly “irrelevant”, except perhaps to the likes of Lindsay Graham and some aging generals.


24 posted on 10/03/2022 6:22:46 AM PDT by laconic
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To: laconic

No, its opinion is irrelevant.

Read the Belovezh Accords, Alma-Ata Protocols, and the Budapest Memorandum.

Through Belovezh, 11 of the Soviet Socialist Republics agreed that the Soviet Union no longer existed, and the federal state represented by them as the CCCP was redundant.

The Alma-Ata signatories formalised the extinction of the Union. Gorbachev and Yeltsin jointly acknowledged Soviet Union’s dissolution both by acclimation, and by fait accompli.

All treaties pertaining to the CCCP were rendered defunct because 11 different states inherited them as individuals.

The UN Charter recognition of Soviet territories as independent nation states was unopposed by Russia.

Each freed state with UN membership had the right to apply to join the CIS, or NATO, or the EU, or BRICS, or any other group. Each state had the charter right to defend itself and join security alliances.

Russia got the exact same benefits as Ukraine and Poland.

But Russia lost all claims over their choices. Russia didn’t want Ukraine to join nato? Boo hop. Russia doesn’t get to tell NATO who it can and can’t admit to the club.


25 posted on 10/03/2022 7:22:01 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
The "Bear" already attacked independent country without any casus belli and gets his a** handed to him. What are they going to do? Use WMD? Leaders from China, India, Pakistan won't allow them to do so. "Atomic club" is a rather prestigious one with limited entry, if Russians will use any nonconvetional weaponry, half of the countries in the world will start buying nuclear weapons components and ICBMs as means of self-defense not giving damn about any protocols or agreements made before.
In 2020 Putin ordered an audit of Russian nukes. It turned out around 20-30% of them would not, fly, explode at target or would detonate right at the place. Why aren't they showing their RS-28 missiles? They have been testing them for the past 10-12 years and the final result is still unacceptable. Why aren't they using their T-14? They were supposed to have 2300 of those by 2020? Well they would cause more threat to the comrades driving one, than to the enemy. Finally, why are they sending soldiers to Ukraine with WWII equipment?
The King might not be totally naked but it surely is dressed like a clown.
26 posted on 11/03/2022 4:09:42 PM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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