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NYU students wonder why they didn't get an A for effort in organic chemistry class: Professor Fired Because Students Complained His Class Was "Too Hard"
Hotair ^ | 10/03/2022 | John Sexton

Posted on 10/03/2022 9:25:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: beethovenfan

They have been raised this way—if you have sniffles, stay home. If you feel bad, stay home. If it is going to snow, stay home. Hyperventilate if anyone disagrees with you. A’s for efforts. The results are no surprise.


21 posted on 10/03/2022 10:58:56 PM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how many of the complainers were black dems???


22 posted on 10/03/2022 11:02:41 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how many of the complainers were black dems???


23 posted on 10/03/2022 11:02:51 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a difference between a complex subject and a poor instructor for a complex subject.
My organic chem class for chemistry majors had an open book, open note, final. The highest grade, an A, was 41% correct...
The student was enrolled in the Ph.D. program for physics at the time.
The instructor lectured for one week on Grignard reagents. When asked why he didn’t have a question on the test about Grignard reagents his reply was that he had lectured for a week, so everyone would know the material. He was a rookie professor.


24 posted on 10/03/2022 11:04:42 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Many moons ago, when I took organic chemistry, I did well with the course classroom work, but, the pace of the lab work was brutal. Well, a hefty load of engineering classes didn’t help. And, the teacher was an arrogant a-hole. I caught an error on one of his exams and then he wouldn’t own up to it. Even though he’d warned us to be on the lookout for little “gotcha” stuff like that, that he might throw in to cross us up. Nor was I impressed with this guy - the TA got material across better, as did the teacher of another section who allowed me to sit in on his class a couple times.

The lab bothered me more, though. 12 lab reports were expected; to pass you had to get an “A” on at least 10, or average “C’s” on all 12 I think(?). Students were literally running through the lab room to try to get all 12 in, and some of the stuff we were handling was downright dangerous. Mind you this was 45+ years ago, so, we weren’t a bunch of distracted-by-smart-phones students. And, I really liked chemistry. I refused to work that “frantic”, and managed to get 10 labs in. I passed, but wished I’d been in that other section...

OTOH, when I took Technical Writing, that teacher was a retired Army writer (never did find out EXACTLY what he wrote). The dude really made us work - not on the level of an engineering class, but way more than a typical General Studies class. (This was a 300 level class, required in Engineering & most any other “tech” oriented field, IIRC.) My God, how did the students from Ag and so on bitch and moan... They started talking to their friends in other sections and found out we were literally doing 3x the work. Then they really howled! I didn’t mind - my aptitude was good and I was learning a lot. The instructor corrected the textbook several times, and every time it turned out he was right. Probably was the only GS class I was actually proud of Acing. And, it likely helped me on those Organic Chemistry lab reports. :)

These days, in informal settings I often fall into “Manny-speak” writing. (Heinlein) Ah, well...


25 posted on 10/03/2022 11:35:33 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The pic must be of a younger Dr. Jones! ;-)


26 posted on 10/03/2022 11:38:35 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Getready

True. I bombed Analytic Geometry the 1st go-round. It didn’t help that we had big problems at home with my Mom deathly ill & Dad wouldn’t help with household chores so as eldest child I got to do almost all that. But, the prof just didn’t get through to me, and I was always somewhat “sensitive” to a teacher’s communication skills.

Came back the next semester, better teacher, as much or more work, but also had a friend for a study partner, and Aced it.


27 posted on 10/03/2022 11:47:59 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stories like this are leaking out. There’s no integrity to college admissions, college test scores, or college diplomas. High school is even worse. You can’t be sure high school graduates can read, no less have mastered the skills needed for success in life.

Many students go through the motions of attending and are socially-promoted to a level at which they cannot possibly do well. Along the way, many of them are told the reason they aren’t doing well is because of some form of discrimination. They finish their education with a meaningless degree, a huge student loan, and the idea that their bad fortune is the fault of somebody else. In a sense, this is right. Their bad fortune is the result of an self-serving scheme by liberals to make cushy jobs for themselves in higher education at the cost of destroying the lives of millions of our fellow Americans.

The liberals are not at all well-intentioned. They deny the very real harm they are doing because they are the ones that benefit from the system. Cut through the veneer. They are greedy and evil.

In contrast, white males are given no sympathy. As a result, they figure out early that they’re not college material and go on to be mechanics and truck drivers and such, and do well. We should shift a lot of young people to vocational ed and away from college prep.

Our community college system has a vital role to play in a shift to vocational ed at the high school level. And that’s to enable people to get the skills and knowledge they need to rise up from blue collar to white collar occupations if they have the aptitude and commitment.


28 posted on 10/03/2022 11:53:28 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: grey_whiskers

Funny post. I actually found organic chemistry the most boring of the chemistry courses I took. As a chemistry major, inorganic, p-Chem, and analytical were far more interesting.

The class was taught at 745 in a northern tier state where it was dark and cold to get up for the latter half of the first semester and beginning half of the second semester. Awful through and through.

The only one of the entire class I enjoyed was the class was offered in a large auditorium with tables instead of chairs with individual desks The tables were long and ran the entire length of the lecture hall punctuated only by the two aisles of stairs.

When the professor instructed the part on enantiomeres, he made a stick model of a molecule and held a large mirror behind it so one could appreciate both conformations. When he did this ir provided a quick and free study in what was on sale ar Victoria’s Secret for those women wearing skirts to class.

I never did forget conformational chemistry after this. Nor the name of the woman who sat next to me….although after that particular lecture. she stopped wearing shirt skirts to class. Quite a loss for many of us.


29 posted on 10/03/2022 11:57:38 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Per the article:

“One of the students complained that the grades did not reflect the time and effort they put in.

That perspective misses the point. In life you are graded for results rather than effort. The students better understand that pretty soon.”


30 posted on 10/04/2022 12:24:18 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: SeekAndFind

I was a university professor for many years. The pressure to pass the minority students was great.

I’ve said this many times over the years.

The problem is, “You cannot emotionally learn organic chemistry.”

It takes a lot of memorization which is a logical masculine aspect of consciousness. It’s how the mind works.


31 posted on 10/04/2022 12:28:58 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: SeekAndFind

Oy vey! “Gimme an A for showing up” is their new cry/attitude.


32 posted on 10/04/2022 12:40:31 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: SeekAndFind
They also have a sense of entitlement that is unearned and completely undeserved. College students of 60 yrs ago would not believe the wreck and ruin the academic system of today is in. They now allow and promote students who couldn't even pass a high school final exam of their day, and let those students dictate the curriculum.

It seems that getting high and partying is the most important thing on campus to both students and alumni.

33 posted on 10/04/2022 12:40:48 AM PDT by Bullish (Rot'sa Ruck America. )
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To: kiryandil

So it’s impossible to make a course too difficult?

This article failed to reveal any evaluation of this prof’s policies and practices other than the student petition. We have insufficient information.


34 posted on 10/04/2022 1:31:07 AM PDT by nagant
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To: SeekAndFind

You failed Biology 101 ???

Reconsider being a brain surgeon ...


35 posted on 10/04/2022 1:40:46 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Think free or die
“Students were misreading exam questions at an astonishing rate,” he wrote in a grievance to the university, protesting his termination. Grades fell even as he reduced the difficulty of his exams.

The problem started in kindergarten through 5th grade.

I read that the American literacy rate - the ability to read and write well - was 98% in 1890.

When we started homeschooling I realized this, since I have a complete collection of bound Harpers magazines from number 1 on the 1840s to 1900, when the magazine began its' slide into liberal trash.

From that magazine and other books and magazines I figured Americans were the most literate in the mid to late 1800s.

Realizing that the influence for this must have come in the early to mid 1800s I began collecting more school books from that era.

The reason for the success appeared quickly.

I was taught to read in a one room school in Vermont before the effects of the invasion by the NY, NJ and CT trust fund hippies detroyed the state.

We were taught by an excellent, old rogue teacher who used the phonics she knew. This consisted of the single letter sounds, dipthongs and tripthongs (2 and three letters sounded together).

She (and I) believed there were a lot of words in english you couldn't read using phonics.

There were two sets of phonics rules that fell by the wayside and have been forgotten since the 1840s to 1850s. Those are the silent letter rules and the substitute letter rules.

By using these rules, our younger daughter, who wasn't infected by the public school system was reading at above second year college level at 3rd grade.

This isn't unusual as once you know the rules and have a 1930s or earlier dictionary, you can read anything.

I've had many discussions with so called teachers who use this ridiculous "whole word" program to "teach" reading.

Except for the few rogue teachers, this is a waste of time.

Most are so completely indoctrinated with the propaganda from the colleges that there is no way they will even consider listening to anything a lay person has to say.

There are two books, by Rudolf Flesch, "Why Johnny Can't Read - and what You Can Do About It" in 1955, and "Why Johnny STILL Can't Read" in 1981 that document and explain the sordid money trail that keeps the farce of the whole word program going.

The Whole Word system has kids memorizing 20,000 words like Chinese characters. They are taught to guess at words they don't know by the surrounding context.

Few people are going to remember 20,000 of anything they try to memorize.

When these crippled students hit math, history and science, there are many words not included in the 20,000.

The ignorant reading teachers scoff at phonics as "rote learning". They just look at you like a deer in the headlights when you ask them, well, which would you rather memorize, 20,000 of ANYTHING or 120? There are roughly 120 phonics rules which enable you to read almost ANY word in the English language.

An older dictionary allows you to comprehend it.

I have the complete set of rules in "cheat sheet" form to print out.

Who wants to bother memorizing even 120 of anything?

You begin to remember the most used rules as you use them. When you hit a word with a seldom used rule, that's why you have a cheat sheet!

Eventually you pretty much forget you are using the rules, it's just automatic.

The speedy "sight reading" just comes naturally as time goes on.

Many people learn enough phonics from different sources such as Montessori, reading the Bible (an older copy), re-incarnation from a soul that was alive in the 1800s or just figure it out on their own. The rest are out of luck.

The inability to read unknown words is what causes many people to have to go to classes to learn just about anything new.

They are unable to read the information they need to figure out things for themselves.

This was particularly obvious when computers were being introduced to our school system.

Almost all the teachers were saying they needed classes on how to operate and use computers.

Several of us asked why they didn't just read the manuals and figure it out like we did?

The response was that they couldn't learn that way. Translation, they were unable to read and comprehend the manuals because there were many words they couldn't read.

If enough folks bypass this mess by homeschooling and properly teaching reading, our country may survive.

If not, watch the movie, "Idiocracy". Don't rent it, buy it, you're going to want to watch it several times to catch all the nuances and to show to others.

36 posted on 10/04/2022 2:07:31 AM PDT by Mogger
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To: SeekAndFind

When the products of the public school system push these illiterates through their system and dumps them in higher ed, higher ed has to do the same until they give them a piece of meaningless paper and pushes them on society as somebodies who now enter the corporate word and government. dumb and dumber we see evidence of this now


37 posted on 10/04/2022 2:10:59 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: SeekAndFind
That’s really what we’re talking about: pleasing customers, getting good reviews, maintaining high U.S. News rankings, etc.

When “higher education” becomes nothing more than a financial racket, nobody should be surprised when it starts to look like a giant business enterprise.

In this case, the “customer” is the student … and the customer is always right even if he’s a semi-literate moron.

38 posted on 10/04/2022 2:36:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Coming:

BRIDGE IN MAJOR CITY COLLAPSES KILLING OVER 100. FEELINGS OF ENGINEERING FIRM MOST AFFECTED.


39 posted on 10/04/2022 2:53:58 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: DeFault User
I later taught in a college in which I was provided the IQs of all the students. Not surprisingly their grades tracked fairly close to their IQ scores.

There was a reason why students took the SAT and colleges used to have minimum scores for acceptance.

40 posted on 10/04/2022 2:55:57 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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