Posted on 10/03/2022 9:25:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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If it's real purpose was to winnow those who will not make it through med school, that makes sense. Doctor training apparently involves having to remember vast amounts of information.
You think college administrators would care about complaints from white Republicans?
The problem was exacerbated by the pandemic, he said. “In the last two years, they fell off a cliff,” he wrote. “We now see single digit scores and even zeros.”
After several years of Covid learning loss, the students not only didn’t study, they didn’t seem to know how to study, Dr. Jones said.
I am blaming the vaxxxxxx, students getting multiple vaxxxes, Boosters, messing up their brains
Exactly. Organic chemistry is harder that Chinese algebra for a reason. Follow the science, if you can. If you can't, find a career in human resources or learn to code.
This sends a strong message to business leaders: Don’t hire NYU grads.
“ I am blaming the vaxxxxxx, students getting multiple vaxxxes, Boosters, messing up their brains”
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How far does that go, do you think?
“I killed those 5 people because of the vax.”
“I drove my car into the Burger King because I was vaxxed.”
Where, in your opinion does it begin and more importantly end?
WHOA - that's a man bites dog without even having to going further into the piece.
I taught college as a TA in the 70’s.
I was shocked how many students couldn’t perform long division. Calculators weren’t ubiquitous back then.
And I remember we were doing an “experiment” where you plant peas in kitty litter. A girl came up to me with peas in one hand and the litter in the other. She was asking which ones were the peas.
Orgo and Diff Eq for ChemE.
I once was paid to tutor a young woman in a relatively easy subject like history or sociology. After a number of sessions I realized that she was pedaling as hard as she could but did not have the baseline abstract thinking abilities to comprehend and process the information.
We discussed her interest in hairdressing. A fine concrete skill. And she pursued it.
There are many concrete thinkers who excel in their areas of expertise.
Exactly!!! Not everybody should be a physician, or an engineer, or a scientist, or an accountant, or whatever. Some people just don't have the cognitive ability, intellectual talent, or mental agility to do these things. Lack of ability may "dash some peoples' dreams" ... so be it. If you can't hack it, the sooner you find out the better.
Organic WAS hard. All engineering students had to take it, even we who moved on to EE.
I agree that screens and the internet has diminished the upcoming generation’s abstract processing abilities. Want to have the top kids on their fields these days?
Classically educate them until 18 years without screens using books paper and rote learning and phonics.
Yep, organic chemistry weeds out some dream career paths. That's how it goes - There's still plenty of time to implement Plan B. BTW, organic chemistry is a sophomore level class. No calculus required.
99% plus students are going to experience small or large failures along the way. It takes stubbornness to work through this.
Organic chemistry is not the only so called weed out challenge many STEM majors will face, just the first of a number of them. Most premeds will be biology majors - Massive amount of memorization, big words to spell, akin to learning a new language. One of my ChE classmates took the hard path to medical school. ChE degree sprinkled with a few targeted biology classes.
In my path through ChE and microbiology, I recall only three classes that were intentionally a weed out class to cull out students. The hardest for me was a sophomore level ChE class offered once per year that was a mandatory class before one was even admitted into the the ChE program. Prerequisites were freshman chemistry and algebra. About 60 students started and 20 survived. Many of the survivors of that class were in the group of 17 I graduated with. Not as brutal were sophomore level fluid mechanics (ME) and electrical (EE).
Most of this has been pretty negative and I think it is warranted. I do recognize a flip side to to this that most college students endured during the on line learning that colleges flipped to during the Covid era.
My first semester of college in 1971, I had a required math class that was the wave of the future. It was frustrating, worthless. 10-15 hours a week in the crowded computer lab lined with CRT terminals, keyboards and a textbook at your little patch of workspace. One hour a week in class where the prof went over “homework” you did on the CRT terminal, give a test or quiz then out the door. I passed the blasted thing but got zero out of it. I was so frustrated that I transferred to a different university. Totally wasted semester, only one class (history) was accepted for credit at the new university.
No this trend was in full swing way before the vaxx.
And the next lecture after the enantiomer in the mirror was simple hormonic motion, with degenerate modes.
In the adult world, nobody gives a damn how hard you tried. All they care about....what you get paid for or what you get fired for....is how well you actually do the job. Not how hard you tried to do the job.
You are what your record says you are.
He taught at Princeton 1964-2007.
Organic Chemistry is a tough class, yes. I washed out of it myself. It’s a lot of work for 3 or 4 credit hours - far harder than many other sophomore courses with the same credit hours, yes.
Some people just don’t have the cognitive ability, intellectual talent, or mental agility to do these things.
Or plain stick to it Ness.
Many a bright person cannot bother to carry the ball over the goal line.
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