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1 posted on 12/03/2022 10:38:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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Its too late for this now.

The rot is too deep. Heck protecting abortion even won in Kentucky when it was put on the ballot!

If you can even get the majority of people in Kentucky to support saving babies, it’s game over.

And don’t even get me started on the gays... omg.. they have infiltrated the youth so thoroughly .. I am convinced something is in the water! there is no freaking way the vast majority of Teen boys suddenly have no interest in girls!


50 posted on 12/03/2022 11:43:56 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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Rather than secede, how about we throw the blue states OUT of the Union?

Cancel California!

Nope to New York!

Move out, Massachusetts!

Wipe Washington!


58 posted on 12/03/2022 12:01:09 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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"Secession movements gain traction in US amid deepening political rifts: 'A long-standing problem'"

Thank you for referencing that article Roman_War_Criminal.

As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

If Democratic and RINO state lawmakers were brought up to speed with the Supreme Court's clarification of the federal government's constitutionally limited power to appropriate taxes, then they may agree to the simple amendment to the Constitution mentioned further down.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

If state lawmakers understood that the funding that they regularly receive from the federal government is arguably state revenues that the unconstitutionally big federal government steals from the states by means of unconstitutional taxes indicated by the Gibbons v. Ogden excerpt above, then they might agree to the following.

Consider that ALL the states can effectively “secede” from the corrupt federal government by ratifying a new amendment to the Constitution that does nothing more than repeal the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popularly elected federal senators) Amendments, arguably little or ideally no discussion required.

Once unconstitutional federal taxes are stopped then the states will ultimately find a tsunami of new revenue (imo) that they can use to increase teacher, police, firefighter salaries for example.

The states can also build and maintain their own infrastructure which the corrupt feds have no express constitutional power to tax and spend for anyway imo.

In fact, respected constitutional experts, including Supreme Court justices, have emphasized that the delegates to the constitutional convention had left the care of the people with states, not the federal government.


63 posted on 12/03/2022 12:15:06 PM PST by Amendment10
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“… endeavor more simply that rural red counties secede from the domination of blue urban centers to form new states.“

Sounds good to me.


70 posted on 12/03/2022 12:40:45 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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Some aim for entire states to leave the union to form a new country

Nah..

while others endeavor more simply that rural red counties secede from the domination of blue urban centers to form new states.

Most of the filthy cities need to be "seceded" from the states. Let them form their own state(s).

76 posted on 12/03/2022 12:50:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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The Demonparty have all but locked up America. Going forward they will never again lose any election they feel they can’t lose. They are exactly where they want to be with one exception: the second amendment. There is no way they want any type of secession movement to even remotely gain traction. They need at this point to put down a “sedition “ violently and fast. So they will manufacture one, small enough to control that will justify their slaughter and the ensuing police state.

These animals were cornered with the 2020 election so they went all in and stole it, artlessly and obviously. They know more and more Americans are rejecting their demonstrably insane rule. They have to act before things get out of hand for them. They are illegitimate so there are no moral constraints or concerns. Only, at this point, necessity. They don’t have an army, only the state.


80 posted on 12/03/2022 12:59:00 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,....

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,...


Pretty sure the Founders and the Framers believed that secession was an assumed right of the states. The Constitution is silent on the matter, therefore the 10th Amendment applies.
86 posted on 12/03/2022 1:13:37 PM PST by rottndog (What comes after America?)
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Fourth Turning.

“History is seasonal and winter is coming. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and the twin emergencies of the Great Depression in World War II. The risk of catastrophe will be high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” (The Fourth Turning, Strauss & Howe, 1997)


89 posted on 12/03/2022 1:15:03 PM PST by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)
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“ All agree that the disagreements with their political opponents have grown intractable.”

Libtards are irredeemable - there is no common ground with genocidal zombie maniacs

95 posted on 12/03/2022 2:06:58 PM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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We can say we’ll secede, and we might give it a good try, but we’ll be stopped in our tracks. They have the military and they’re not afraid to use it. Once we’ve been annihilated, all of our stuff is right there for the taking.


98 posted on 12/03/2022 2:13:59 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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CW1 began when several ELECTED state legislatures voted by wide margins to secede.

Today, establishing Red America isn't going to happen unless a whole lot of officeholders get on board. The linked article notes that one lone Republican state rep filed a bill to create a committee "to develop a plan for achieving Texas independence." A committee to plan! How bold!

Most of our current electeds are happy with the status quo. They won't support any major change.
132 posted on 12/03/2022 5:00:40 PM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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Why should we secede and let the commies have any of the beautiful land our people built? They hate it anyway. I say we kick them out like we did the Tories in 1783.


140 posted on 12/03/2022 8:29:20 PM PST by rxh4n1
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Not sure about Alaska or Utah. The blue/red boundaries would likely change and be rounded off as red counties in blue states would want to become part of the red states. Biggest issue is that most every red state has a big blue city in it. Southern IL would likely want to join MO but there's St Louis hellhole separating them. Red states would have to pass some laws that would make leftists want to move out. Mandatory open carry and stand your ground laws.

148 posted on 12/04/2022 6:49:19 AM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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By abrogating many federal laws, California and Oregon have in effect already seceded from the Union. Both are in reality no longer America


154 posted on 12/04/2022 10:49:09 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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