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Live: Scientists herald nuclear fusion breakthrough that ‘could bring limitless clean energy’
The Telegraph ^ | 13/12/22

Posted on 12/13/2022 7:21:09 AM PST by Eleutheria5

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To: adorno

The two most common methods for producing hydrogen are steam-methane reforming and electrolysis (splitting water with electricity.


21 posted on 12/13/2022 7:40:58 AM PST by kabar
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To: Tell It Right

As long as we have H2O, we will always have a source of hydrogen.


22 posted on 12/13/2022 7:42:24 AM PST by kabar
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To: Eleutheria5

Can’t have this! What would we politicize?

I firmly believe fusion won’t produce energy for us until the government has a solid plan to be able to tax it and easily and readily deny it to citizens who need to learn a lesson.


23 posted on 12/13/2022 7:42:42 AM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Could these guys be angling for a sizeable funding increase?

Big headlines = Big cash


24 posted on 12/13/2022 7:43:22 AM PST by citizen (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people - John Adams 1798)
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To: kabar
"As long as we have H2O, we will always have a source of hydrogen."

Agreed. But that still doesn't keep the greenies from coming up with a narrative to convince their cult followers of why we all need saving from this hydrogen-suckin' monster or whatever.

25 posted on 12/13/2022 7:44:21 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Question is how much is needed to be done it to bring to scale for commercial use.


26 posted on 12/13/2022 7:45:01 AM PST by AU72
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To: Eleutheria5

Free beer! Tomorrow!


27 posted on 12/13/2022 7:46:32 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Boogieman
Indeed, it's a phenomenal achievement. However, it must be understood that it's an experimental result. The lasers fire for a fraction of a second and can only fire once a day. Continuous power will require the lasers to fire about 40 times per second.

It does recall the first laser. It was in a huge room with tons of equipment and a monstrous power supply. When the engineers got into it they eventually developed the handheld "cat chaser" that we have so much fun with.

Here's a good article about the breakthrough.

How Big Is The Fusion Breakthrough

28 posted on 12/13/2022 7:47:11 AM PST by budj (Combat vet, second of three generations.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Unfortunately, the word “nuclear” is a trigger word to the emotionally based, irretrievably ignorant Left who, when that word is uttered, stop listening and begin to panic. The Left’s hypocrisy of screaming uncontrollably about a “climate change disaster caused by carbon-based fuels” while condemning the clean energy produced by nuclear power is a clear demonstration of their ignorance, of their irrational fear, of their rejection of reality and of their complete lack of self-awareness. As we experience every time it is attempted, rational discussion with the Left is futile.


29 posted on 12/13/2022 7:47:36 AM PST by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Lol…. This is a similar net gain as previous….. But the exciting non news is right on the WEF timeline. So, I am calling BS.


30 posted on 12/13/2022 7:47:39 AM PST by momincombatboots (QEphesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: nikos1121

Used 2.1 megajoules of energy to create the conditions for the reaction, and achieved a 2.5 megajoules return.

0.4 gain


31 posted on 12/13/2022 7:49:19 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: calljack

The team reportedly used 2.1 megajoules of energy to create the conditions for the reaction, and achieved a 2.5 megajoules return.

0.4 % gain


32 posted on 12/13/2022 7:50:39 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: calljack

“That is a 19% net gain not a .4% gain.”

Nope. Not ‘net’. They never tell you about all the other energy that was being used. ‘Trigger energy’ is just part of the equation.


33 posted on 12/13/2022 7:50:57 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: calljack

“That is a 19% net gain not a .4% gain.”

Nope. Not ‘net’. They never tell you about all the other energy that was being used. ‘Trigger energy’ is just part of the equation.


34 posted on 12/13/2022 7:51:00 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: kabar

Yes, but the energy required for hydrolysis has to be considered in determining the total yield of the fusion reaction.


35 posted on 12/13/2022 7:51:17 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: Vaduz

Right, here we go again.


36 posted on 12/13/2022 7:58:00 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Eleutheria5

Aside from their discovery nobody elected to pick up the damn Flag that was on the floor.


37 posted on 12/13/2022 8:02:10 AM PST by Rappini (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Eleutheria5

This does seem like a big deal, but the laser used required 300 megajoules from the grid for this experiment, so they’ve still got a big hill to climb before this is practical and useful.


38 posted on 12/13/2022 8:02:33 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: adorno

There is virtually limitless hydrogen in seawater, and the energy required to separate it is dwarfed by the energy available from fusion.

It requires 142 MJ of energy to produce one kilogram of hydrogen by electrolysis. Fusion of one kilogram of hydrogen into helium releases 164,000,000,000 MJ, a little more than a billion times more.

For an investment of 30 kWh, roughly the average daily consumption per household in the U.S., would yield 36 billion kWh, enough energy to provide electricity to every home in America for more than week.


39 posted on 12/13/2022 8:02:57 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: calljack

Its a 19% gain for the experiment, I doubt it produces enough excess to power the lights in the building so their is still a long way to go.

But it is real progress.

On the other hand they could start building today 4th generation nuclear plants which are safe and can use nuclear waste from older plants as fuel. Or start building Thorium based nuclear plants.

But global warming... They would rather crush our standard of living.


40 posted on 12/13/2022 8:04:12 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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