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Zelensky is facing a Valley Forge moment
The hill ^ | 12/18/2022 | EARLE MACK, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

Posted on 12/18/2022 11:28:09 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

Valley Forgery


41 posted on 12/18/2022 12:19:24 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Paladin2

Paladin2:The EU is a hotbed of corruption and marxist/WEF indoctrination/”leadership”.

Let me ask you this. Would you rather live in Western Europe or Russia?


42 posted on 12/18/2022 12:19:34 PM PST by natalie227
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To: Chunga85

Yeah I’ll waste my time writing a book on Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq just for you.

Libya? You really care that Qaddaffi was killed in Libya? We fought a war there? I missed it.

Afghanistan? Ukraine was invaded BECAUSE of Biden’s cowardice in Afghan.

Iraq? Totally defeated by America.

Of course there is no comparison because this war is a Russian invasion in Europe, against a Christian people who obviously want to defend their country.


43 posted on 12/18/2022 12:21:42 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: kosciusko51

Because freezing is not a requirement for a leader in war.
For that matter, I don’t believe GW personally was freezing at Valley Forge. That is not how the upper class was treated.
George Washington was indeed a great hero and leader, but he wasn’t freezing except maybe when he was in the field.
I’m sure the Ukrainian generals, like George Washington, are often out in the cold.
GW was a general not a president during the war.


44 posted on 12/18/2022 12:26:17 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: PGR88

NATO and the US MIC certainly WANT them to fight this war.


Actually, they didn’t. Biden and his handlers ignored Ukraine in 2021 while partnering with Putin to nuke up Iran, etc. These are the historical facts. Ignore them if you wish.


45 posted on 12/18/2022 12:28:15 PM PST by lodi90
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To: natalie227

Over what period of future years?

Ask Edward Joseph Snowden.


46 posted on 12/18/2022 12:29:41 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

The EU/WEF built giant energy pipes to Russia and partners with Putin. They can’t wait to drop the Ukraine hot potato and get back to business as almost usual with Russia.


47 posted on 12/18/2022 12:30:09 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Williams

Don’t bother writing any books for me.

A lot of people were killed under false pretenses. You cheer this stuff on to get your jollies, imagining you’re in an old black and white movie.

A lot of people in the US backed former state of Ukraine are going to die because the US staged a coup and interfered with Minsk II. Things you are too selfish to acknowledge.

The only silver lining here is this time, by creating a national security threat on Russia’s border, and ignoring warning after warning, is the World Police have bitten off more than it can chew.

What you foolishly advocate is going to backfire because eventually Europeans will come to terms with who it was that maliciously destroyed those pipelines and they’re going to start saying out loud.

It boils down to knowing right from wrong and you do not.


48 posted on 12/18/2022 12:31:45 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I doubt Zelensky has the Grace of God working on his behalf....


49 posted on 12/18/2022 12:37:33 PM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: Williams

I’ve seen several Revolutionary War forts (though not Valley Forge). While the officers did have better conditions than their soldiers, they still had harsh conditions to live under. Certainly far worse than Z has to live with.

I’m only using the comparison because the author had the unmitigated gall to compare the two. Frankly, I see Z as a charlatan and grifter in the same vein as Biden, BO, and the Clintons.

Furthermore, our borders and the sovereign integrity of the US should be of more importance than Ukraine’s borders. We need our house put in order before dealing with others’ problems.


50 posted on 12/18/2022 12:38:33 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

We have no disagreement about our borders.

Biden is an immoral despicable creep.


51 posted on 12/18/2022 12:41:46 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

You’re right of course. There is not a shred of intellectual curiosity among them. They’ve constructed a fantasy world and ignore obvious facts smacking them in the face.


52 posted on 12/18/2022 12:42:04 PM PST by lodi90
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To: PGR88

There have been many comments from your ilk about wiping out Zelensky. Don’t fkn deny that it has nothing to do with his being a Jew. You people need to come clean and openly embrace what you’re all about. I stand by my statement.


53 posted on 12/18/2022 12:42:50 PM PST by ScottinVA
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Obscenity to compare that nazi homosexual social media clown to the Father of our Country and his inspired leadership. Zelenisky isn’t fit to clean Washington’s boots.
And Washington himself would be horrified that we were in a war deep in eastern Ukraine, the Donbass and western Russian. Also that we were allied with nazis when he learned what nazis were.


54 posted on 12/18/2022 12:43:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Zelenskyy is no where near his troops facing the brutal winter realities. Washington on the other hand, was.

Zelenskyy should be right there with them. Just more proof that he cares not one whit about his fellow countrymen.

55 posted on 12/18/2022 12:43:57 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Earle Mack (the writer of the piece) is a former United States ambassador to Finland. He is a partner with the Mack Company, a real estate development and investment firm, and a trustee of the Appeal of Conscience Foundation, an interfaith partnership of business and religious leaders promoting freedom, democracy and human rights in countries around the world.

i.e., he’s in on the grift.


56 posted on 12/18/2022 12:44:21 PM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: Chunga85

You mean Hillary’s Minsk agreement? The one forced upon the people of Ukraine by her after a $100 million payment from Russia for Uranium One?

Is that the agreement that you love?


57 posted on 12/18/2022 12:44:43 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: Williams

Truly disgusting indeed. Russians are doing what they have done for centuries… invading, raping and pillaging weaker countries. The sooner Putin is dead, the better.


58 posted on 12/18/2022 12:44:57 PM PST by ScottinVA
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To: lodi90

They also can’t deal with Biden being president when this war happened. Of course Biden helped cause this war but not in the way they think.
So they decide that supporting Ukraine means supporting Biden.


59 posted on 12/18/2022 12:45:07 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

“Biden is an immoral despicable creep.”

And has been wrong on virtually every foreign policy issue since becoming a senator. I don’t see him suddenly being correct on this issue given his track record.


60 posted on 12/18/2022 12:46:56 PM PST by kosciusko51
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