Ukraine's Zelenskyy: Any Russian Victory Could Be Perilous

Newsmax ^ | March 29, 2023 | Associated Presstitutes

[gloryblaze]

Thanks. Those are three links to the singular story, of course, in a report of one interview with Danilov.

Also reported is this: "... Whether Danilov was articulating actual Ukrainian policy to push the front line 300 miles back to Moscow, or if he was speaking metaphorically, or exaggerating for effect is not made clear in the Sun report...."

I would call it hyperbole, never implied nor uttered by Zelensky, myself. But I'll grant that Danilov probably did say it. And it was not wise of him.

[AAABEST]

Another novel from another Eurotrash Uke harpy... posting fron his Euro-$**thole.

You sound upset though - which means you think you’re losing.

[rdcbn1]

Let's just say it's setting a high bar for opening rounds of negotiating posture.

More “reasonable” demands which are public record include:

-expulsion of Russia from Ukraine pre war boundaries

-Russia’s withdrawal from Crimea

-Nuremberg style war crimes tribunals

-Putin’s removal

Restitution including the complete rebuilding of Ukraine.

These are terms Ukraine wishes to dictate to Moscow.

I'm a bit skeptical that if this goes on much longer the Ukraine will be in any position to dictate terms of any sort to Russia.

I can see a future where the Ukraine could be on their knees begging Russia to accept terms short of total surrender.

[gloryblaze]

I happen to believe all those are reasonable requests of an invading country.

I can see a future where the Ukraine could be on their knees begging Russia to accept terms short of total surrender.

I can see that you have elongated, wishful vision.

[Widget Jr]

Zelensky is right in that Putin and Russian supporters will sell Bakhmut as a huge victory. It is also true Bakmut does not matter much in the long run.

Any Russian victory in Bakhmut is going to be Pyrrhic. Russia is trading lives for a few meters per day. Ukraine is trading those meters for time to train new soldiers and get better equipment. During the mild winter and the "mud season" Russia should have stepped back, worked on training, supply, and equipment. They did not. If or when there are any significant Ukrainian offensives, Russia's refusal to address its real weaknesses will cost them.

As for all the cheer leading Russia's imminent capture of Bakhmut the facts remain as they are. Its taken over 13 months for the Russian army to not capture 40 square kilometers of burned out city. That is anything but impressive for what is supposedly one of the world's most poweful armies (before Ukraine destroyed half its tanks).

[Recovering_Democrat]

Perilous to US government grifter’s money laundering operations.

[rdcbn1]

I happen to believe all those are reasonable requests of an invading country.

I can see a future where the Ukraine could be on their knees begging Russia to accept terms short of total surrender.

I can see that you have elongated, wishful vision.

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I think those are legitimate requests.

They are reasonable if Ukraine is able to defeat Russia.

I am not sure they are very realistic given the reality of the conflict and it is very possible that the Ukrainian negotiating leverage is getting weaker with time, not stronger. Using that assumption, it may be prudent to ask for more modest goals before the leverage decreases further.

Most unbiased and realistic outside observers are coming to the conclusion that Ukraine is losing the war and that the massive NATO support that has kept the Ukraine in the fight is unsustainable and NATO will be forced to withdraw it's support in short order.

How massive is Western support for Ukraine - close to 150% of Ukraine's pre war annual GDP and 20-30% of NATO war reserve anti tank , anti air and artillery weapons stockpiles sent to Ukraine in the space of 9 months. You don't have to be Gen Dwight . Eisenhower to figure out those numbers are not sustainable, even in the short term

[Right_Wing_Madman]

unless his nation wins a drawn-out battle in a key eastern city, Russia could begin building international support for a deal that could require Ukraine to make unacceptable compromises

Then how about we just eliminate Ukraine?

[Right_Wing_Madman]

It is also true Bakmut does not matter much in the long run.

Bakhmut doesn't matter to those who can't read a map.

[linMcHlp]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

The decisions he will have to make, in order to establish peace and be able to defend the territory of Ukraine that Ukraine is able to keep.

Perhaps he should only blame the situation, in which both he and Ukraine are.

Facing a difficult choice: Try to take the Crimea, and use up your strength, or use your strength and keep some strength in reserve, “merely” to be able to hold on to what you have.

What will happen to the Crimea, if Ukraine manages to regain all or a portion, is demonstrated in Kherson, where Moscow flattens things at will.

As long as Moscow has the will to flatten parts of Ukraine, those parts will not know peace. And that has been true, everywhere else that Moscow has the will to flatten things.

I expect that to continue, as long as Russians remain unable to limit their government.

[Navy Patriot]

I’ll wait to read the history written by the winner of this conflict and save myself some time, ‘cause it’s the only one that counts.

[GOPJ]

He merely reiterated his invitation to China to pay a visit and have an in-person conversation about the war.

Can we assume since American taxpayers are paying for his war that an American representative will also be invited to the meeting?

[gloryblaze]

Can we assume since American taxpayers are paying for his war that an American representative will also be invited to the meeting?

While I can't speak for Ukrainians, so far they seem always at the ready to meet with US and all other NATO and non-NATO supporters, so I imagine any would be welcome.

[GOPJ]

YOU think an American will be invited to his meeting with the Chinese? LOL - keep me posted.