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Why Now? Florida Republican Legislature Sealing Ron DeSantis Travel Records from Public Review
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Posted on 05/03/2023 9:07:32 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: SoConPubbie

The only “Moron” on this thread is the one that ignores how bad this makes DeSantis looks and deflects with some nonsense of the “governor’s success”.


I’m blown away by your argument and supporting information. Well done!

DeSantis actually delivers on conservative platforms and this is the result. What a bunch of dolts.


21 posted on 05/03/2023 11:35:13 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: mlitefan

The only morons are those that ignore and refuse to vet stories like these. If it’s true, why is it being done?

Valid questions.


You don’t think DeSantis is being targeted? You don’t think he should take measures to protect his safety?

Not every candidate is a billionaire with unlimited funds for personal security.

These always-Trump-all-the-timers are starting to open a lot of eyes.


22 posted on 05/03/2023 11:37:06 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
Hiding general information about a trip after it has already ended isn’t protecting anyone’s safety.
23 posted on 05/03/2023 11:51:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

How does it protect his safety not to reveal travel records after the travel has taken place? This stinks to high heaven of a man with something to hide.


24 posted on 05/03/2023 11:54:48 AM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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To: JayGalt

How does it protect his safety not to reveal travel records after the travel has taken place? This stinks to high heaven of a man with something to hide.


Easy to predict future travel plans based on past behavior. OpSec 101.


25 posted on 05/03/2023 12:03:38 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: Alberta's Child

Actually it is. Past behavior informs future activities.

This is very basis stuff.


26 posted on 05/03/2023 12:04:28 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Come on, pull the other one. That is a real reach.


27 posted on 05/03/2023 12:08:50 PM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
It’s pathetic to see you make excuses like this.

If a DEMOCRAT in public office took trips out of the country on a donor’s dime and had the identity of that donor shielded from public view by a state legislature, you wouldn’t find a single Freeper weighing in to defend the crooked jackass.

Let’s go back and look at how this story changed over time:

1. First, a legitimate question was raised about why the governor of Florida was making trips to all these foreign countries. The answer was: “He’s working hard as governor, promoting Florida as a great place to do business.”

2. At that point, a legitimate question was asked about how much the Florida taxpayers were paying for these trips. THIS was when it suddenly came out that they weren’t paying anything because DeSantis was having his travel expenses paid by private donors.

3. And now the obvious question should be asked: Who are these donors?

Let me fill you in on something: “It’s nobody’s business” is the worst answer you can give to that question.

28 posted on 05/03/2023 12:24:01 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: SoConPubbie

Have you read the actual amendment to the existing statute?
Here is a link

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1616/BillText/c1/HTML

Notice it pertains to information held by law enforcement agencies. The following excerpt shows just what type of information is exempted from public disclosure.

“The disclosure of such records, including security,
72 operational, and logistical plans; mansion security, facility
73 operations, access, screenings, and clearances; personal
74 information unrelated to official duties of the protected
75 individuals; risk, vulnerability, and threat assessments; travel
76 information relating to the protected person and law enforcement
77 agents and personnel providing the security or transportation
78 services; and identifying information of sworn and nonsworn
79 personnel engaged in a security or transportation services
80 operation or detail”...

It is a sorry come to pass when the word of the Leftist press is taken as Gospel by Conservative news sites or blogs.


29 posted on 05/03/2023 12:24:54 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Leaning Right

Read the bill which is an amendment to existing Statute.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1616/BillText/c1/HTML


30 posted on 05/03/2023 12:26:16 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: JayGalt

Try reading the bill.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1616/BillText/c1/HTML

Some excerpts. This explains who has these records and what they pertain to.

“(10)(a) Records held by a law enforcement agency relating
45 to security or transportation services provided under subsection
46 (1), subsection (5), or subsection (6) are exempt from s.
47 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. “

The following gives specifics of the information to be exempt from public disclosure.

“The disclosure of such records, including security,
72 operational, and logistical plans; mansion security, facility
73 operations, access, screenings, and clearances; personal
74 information unrelated to official duties of the protected
75 individuals; risk, vulnerability, and threat assessments; travel
76 information relating to the protected person and law enforcement
77 agents and personnel providing the security or transportation
78 services; and identifying information of sworn and nonsworn
79 personnel engaged in a security or transportation services
80 operation”

This is not at all about travel records. As in “Whom did the Governor or FL Supreme Court Justice meet with?” But about keeping information that could make officials or sites vulnerable to attack confidential.


31 posted on 05/03/2023 12:35:18 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I’ve read none of your reply.

It’s simply AMAZING at the lengths “conservatives” on this board will go to vilify anyone who comes within arm’s reach of Saint Trump.


32 posted on 05/03/2023 12:52:49 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: lastchance

The question is not what’s in the law. The question is why now.


33 posted on 05/03/2023 12:53:37 PM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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To: JayGalt

Come on, pull the other one. That is a real reach.


Yes, that’ just what we all said when receiving this training prior to overseas deployment. Oh, you weren’t there?


34 posted on 05/03/2023 12:54:22 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: SoConPubbie

Just a stupid, stupid piece of legislation.

Will DeSantis veto it?


35 posted on 05/03/2023 12:55:32 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Fury

Re: 35 - Let me clarify. It’s stupid because of the timing. I also question if it is even needed.

But the timing is bad if DeSantis declares.


36 posted on 05/03/2023 1:00:21 PM PDT by Fury
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To: ConservativeWarrior

It’s sad when people are so partisan that they read into honest criticism so robustly. My criticism of DeSantis has nothing to do with Donald Trump; it is solely related to DeSantis, his backers, his words & actions.
There have been times when Freepers are fiercely divided on topics. This is one such topic. I will endeavor to refrain from any comments on DeSantis threads. His supporters are not open to consideration of alternate interpretations of his gestalt and thus comments only provoke discord. The future will enlighten us all.


37 posted on 05/03/2023 1:02:55 PM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Excuse me but trips by Governors are not like troop deployments. Why are not all travels by Government officials in every state hidden at all times? Why do we have sunshine laws. Are the officials in charge of arrangements so inept that they cannot reveal who is paying for travel and who meetings are with w/o giving logistic details that would allow sabotage. Exactly why is the Presidents schedule & his travel detail shared?


38 posted on 05/03/2023 1:06:41 PM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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To: JayGalt

That is exactly the question. But to answer your question. IMHO it is because there is ever growing evidence that Antifa and similar groups believe and act upon the premise that direct confrontation or action should be the first response to what and who they don’t agree with. Their insanity is encouraged by the media and is no longer restrained by thought of consequences. Which are often moot thanks to Soros funded DAs.


39 posted on 05/03/2023 1:14:39 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: lastchance

The timing trumps the general growth of violence & political targeting. The premise is being floated to obscure the true motivations of the timing.


40 posted on 05/03/2023 1:43:55 PM PDT by JayGalt (Convenience is the bait in which the true poison is concealed.)
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