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Blinken says no Ukraine cease-fire without Russia’s withdrawal
AP/Military Times via Yahoo ^
| June 2nd 2023
| Susie Blann and Matthew Lee, Associated Press
Posted on 06/02/2023 3:50:24 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: McGruff
Offer good for ten days, after that they’re gonna lose Odessa oblast.
To: monkeyshine
Victoria Nuland’s fat face was on TV talking about the planned offensive she has been discussing with her friends in Ukraine. She also talked with her friends about the future of Ukraine. I feel bad for the regular Ukrainian people with these idiots running the show. They aren't satisfied with destroying America, they want to destroy Ukraine too.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:31:28 PM PDT
by
Rdct29
(The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
To: Mariner
“And Ukraine does not get a vote in these important matters.”
Withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory has been one of Ukraine’s firmest positions for over a year.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:34:25 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: MeganC
You speak as if you know what your are talking about lol
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:36:33 PM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: Jan_Sobieski
“Actually, the Russians were asked to come in by Referendum. Voting is a peculiar thing.”
LEGAL voting is a wonderful thing. The Ukrainian constitution established the parameters of referenda, and no such referenda have ever been held on this subject. ILLEGAL referenda were held after the fact (i.e., after Russia had already moved into eastern Ukraine).
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:41:51 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: Right_Wing_Madman
“Russia doesn’t want peace until they have security on their western border, something they haven’t had since 2014.”
Russia (as a country) has had peace on its western border since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. And it had it until it invaded Ukraine in 2014, and broke that peace.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:45:08 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: Jan_Sobieski
"How about letting Eastern and Southern Ukrainians vote on it?"
No! No! The killing must continue to satisfy the WEF depopulation program. Ukraine was supplying too much food to Europe and the Third World. It's part of the Gates/Schwab depopulation program with wars, starvation, and plagues (bat viruses). Ukraien was producing too much food like Holland. Remember the Georgia Guidestones where we have to reduce world population from eight billion to a half. It's part of the "New World Order." Don't argue with your betters that want to have to get rid of you.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:45:20 PM PDT
by
Hiddigeigei
("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
To: ought-six
Revolutions overthrow Constitutions. Law abiding citizens are obligated to secede.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:45:43 PM PDT
by
Jan_Sobieski
(Sanctification)
To: kiryandil
“The ‘all it has to do is withdraw’ slogan is bumper-sticker logic.”
It’s basic logic: Generally, if the aggressor ceases his aggression and goes back home there can be peace.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:48:34 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: McGruff
Illegal annexations, recognized by almost no one (not even Russia’s “good friend” China has recognized the annexations).
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:52:46 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: struggle
“China and Turkey are going to arrange the treaty without him by August”.
Good!
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:54:22 PM PDT
by
laplata
(They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
To: ought-six
Russia (as a country) has had peace on its western border since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. And it had it until it invaded Ukraine in 2014, and broke that peace.
Pretending there was peace is not the same thing as actual peace. Ethnic Russians were getting shelled by Ukraine 50 miles from the border for eight years. Can you imagine if a large American expat community was under artillery fire in Ciudad Juarez? It wouldn't have lasted more than eight days. The United States threatened war with Mexico when two American tourists were shot by Mexican drug runners.
To: Jan_Sobieski
The Ukrainian constitution that addressed referenda, which would apply in this instance, was legally established before the illegal referenda were held.
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posted on
06/02/2023 5:56:37 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: Right_Wing_Madman
“Pretending there was peace is not the same thing as actual peace.”
But there WAS peace vis-a-vis Russia. Russia broke that peace in 2014 when it invaded Ukraine and fostered the attempted secessions of the self-declared LPR and DPR.
“Ethnic Russians were getting shelled by Ukraine 50 miles from the border for eight years.”
They started a civil war. Both sides in the civil war attacked the other for eight years.
“Can you imagine if a large American expat community was under artillery fire in Ciudad Juarez?”
False analogy. Expats LEAVE their home country for another country and renounce any allegiance to their home country. No such condition existed in eastern Ukraine.
“The United States threatened war with Mexico when two American tourists were shot by Mexican drug runners.”
Cite your source for that, with a link or an attribution.
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:06:20 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: Mariner
"U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken says there can be no cease-fire in the war in Ukraine unless it is part of a âÂÂjust and lastingâ peace deal that includes RussiaâÂÂs military withdrawal."
How about when "ukraine" simply runs out of cannon fodder and ammo and surrenders? Some reason not to call that a cease fire"????
Do these people take stupid pills???
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:06:22 PM PDT
by
ganeemead
(Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
To: ought-six
Does the Ukrainian constitution address illegal Revolutions?
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:27:30 PM PDT
by
Jan_Sobieski
(Sanctification)
To: Jan_Sobieski
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:39:58 PM PDT
by
ought-six
(Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
To: canuck_conservative
if Russia really wants peace, all it has to do is withdraw its invading troops back to Russia
But what about this: “Russia must also pay a share of Ukraine’s reconstruction and be held accountable for launching its full-scale invasion of its neighbor in February 2022”
Not so simple is it? Who is going to enforce that?
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:42:39 PM PDT
by
rxh4n1
To: jimwatx
I read a couple months ago the Russia and Ukraine reached a tentative agreement but the US would not agree to it.
We should not be sticking our nose where it does not belong.
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posted on
06/02/2023 6:46:27 PM PDT
by
angry elephant
(Been with Trump since huge 2016 Washington state rally in May.)
To: Mariner
Ukraine is being destroyed & will not exist. Thanks to Blinktard & the NeoCons.
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