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Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History
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Posted on 06/05/2023 7:43:35 AM PDT by navysealdad

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To: Nextrush

Let’s not forget the Khatyn Massacre in Belarus. Ukrainian Collaborators, along with the Dirlewanger Waffen Battalion massacred 149 villagers. Some were shot, but most were burned alive. It was a damnable and evil atrocity.

The Dirlewanger Battalion, along with many Ukrainian collaborators raped and burned villages all through Eastern Belarus, burning said villagers alive.

It angers me that those atrocities are never mentioned. The media insists on painting the Ukrainians as being as pure as the driven snow.

Don’t get me wrong; I don’t blame today’s Ukrainians for past atrocities and genocides. Except the Azov Battalion, who apparently celebrate it.


41 posted on 06/05/2023 10:13:04 AM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson)
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To: Angelino97

The Ukrainians weren’t without blame.

You may want to research the “Khatyn Massacre”. The Schutzmannschaft Battalion, which was comprised of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and the dreaded Dirlewanger Battalion raped, shot and burned alive inhabitants of this Belarusian village. Only 2 villagers survived and 149 perished.

The film “ Come And See” portrays this massacre. It’s not pretty.

Ukrainian collaborators assisted the Nazis in the attempted genocide of Belarusians by shooting and burning Eastern Belarusians alive, along with their villages.

I don’t care what the USSR did to Ukraine; There’s absolutely no excuse for those particular Ukrainians committing such atrocities and attempting the genocide of the Belarusians.

I know that today’s Ukrainians aren’t to blame, but they have an ugly history and not all Ukrainians were “victims”.


42 posted on 06/05/2023 10:26:29 AM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson)
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To: navysealdad

Those are good nazis don’t you remember


43 posted on 06/05/2023 10:38:11 AM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: ansel12
Right...are they saying it is one of the standards they copied from the Roman Legions (a long pole, held straight up, with a hanging banner and a wreath and eagle on top?

Because if it is that, the Obama Administration beat them to it (from this graphic I put together back in the day):


44 posted on 06/05/2023 12:55:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel

Read my post.

Read the article, if you had you wouldn’t have asked the question in the first place.


45 posted on 06/05/2023 12:59:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Sorry.

I make a rule not to give even a click to the NYT, and especially not since I know they are going to throw a paywall up which they do, and I am not going to bother to work around it in some way. There is nearly nothing they can say that makes me want to read them, except to see how they are abusing the truth in general, or of symbology in particular.

Definitely not personal with you, I just don’t pollute my browser with the NYT. Not a chance.

So, I did read your post at 40.

You said it is simply “other icons”, so...what are they?

The Death’s Head symbol? The SS symbol? The “God is with us” belt buckle? Cutouts of Hitler’s face? I assume you have an account so you can read the article-can you elaborate on that without violating posting standards?


46 posted on 06/05/2023 1:25:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Angelino97

Eastern Europe is fairly unique. It is one of the most murderous places on earth. Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics, Belarus, etc.
For hundreds of years it has been nonstop war, invasion, pogrom, Stalinism, Nazism, Banderism, etc.

There are very few places that compete for it’s title for sustained mayhem. It is even generally known as the bloodlands.


47 posted on 06/05/2023 2:51:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino

It’s been almost 80 years since all that.


48 posted on 06/05/2023 2:52:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Not really. It went on through the mid to late 50s, and then we fanned those embers into the current conflagration. For hundreds of years that blood soaked land has turned to war and mass murder again and again.
And always pointing to the past to justify the most current one.

There is a sickness and stupidity there. And DC and London love exploiting the backward emotional thinking.


49 posted on 06/05/2023 3:23:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Fido969

Other than wearing that patch, what does their alleged Nazism consist? A statue of Banderas? They also have a monument honoring the dead of Babi Yar. It’s unfortunate that Banderas made that symbol popular in Ukraine long after the Nazis wore out their welcome. But on parades in Latvia, the old geezers also wear that symbol on their SS uniforms. Hell’s Angels seem to like it, too.

At present, the Ukrainians are rightfully defending their homes against invasion by their former imperial masters. Nothing Nazi about that, patch notwithstanding.

The Azov Battalion, despite their use of that symbol and their many atrocities, were not Nazis. They were Cossacks. Nazis are systematic, relentlessly-monstrous man machines. Cossacks are monstrous, too, but their crimes are crimes of passion. They’re wild men. They wake up in the morning hung over and full of regrets.


50 posted on 06/05/2023 4:07:25 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: navysealdad

Let me guess. The Russian operation was started to remove the Nazis whereas the Western narrative was that the problem is not there.
Now they have found the Nazis and it is allegedly helping Russian propaganda.
It is mightly “1984” over there or are they hinting that the Russians were right since day one?


51 posted on 06/06/2023 5:39:17 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Grimmy
Correct. And if you doubt it, just think where Hitler deployed his last intact armies in a desperate attempt to break through to Antwerp in the Ardennes forest.
52 posted on 06/06/2023 7:20:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: navysealdad

They are actually trying to justify and diminish the seriousness of the Nazi symbolism that the Ukrainian soldiers wear. They are trying hard, but, There’s nothing they can say to make it ok. This article makes it even more disgusting. Wow.


53 posted on 06/06/2023 12:53:30 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: jerod

If you haven’t seen many photos by now, you must be purposefully in denial.


54 posted on 06/06/2023 12:54:41 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Eagles6

But, we are sending billions of our tax dollars to soldiers wearing Nazi symbolism and training those same soldiers too.


55 posted on 06/06/2023 12:57:29 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

Show me one.


56 posted on 06/06/2023 12:59:35 PM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: navysealdad

Is this the equivalent of the American Civil War? The south made slavery the issue therefore a foreign power like the UK could not intervene on their behalf? Will we see the US back away from the Ukraine over this?


57 posted on 06/06/2023 2:23:24 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: wardaddy

Ukrainian itself is a modern concept no? As close back in history as the 1400 there were just people who were part of Rus. There were no Russians? Or Ukrainians? Just the people of Moscow, Kiev and Novgorod.


58 posted on 06/06/2023 2:25:36 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: jerod

https://www.dailyveracity.com/2022/03/12/ukraine-u-s-funded-neo-nazi-group-crucifies-man-burns-christian-icons-photographed-with-u-s-military/

It would be an educational experience for you to do some research on this topic.


59 posted on 06/06/2023 7:54:14 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: jerod

Did you watch Ukraine on Fire?


60 posted on 06/06/2023 8:03:34 PM PDT by HollyB
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