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RELICS FROM NON-HUMAN SPACECRAFT: A SCIENTIST’S PERSPECTIVE
thedebrief.org ^ | 6/6/2023 | AVI LOEB

Posted on 06/06/2023 7:27:18 PM PDT by bitt

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To: cgbg

You’ll be ok. All you have to do is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9j1I80aKEc


21 posted on 06/06/2023 8:58:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: LukeL

Or their world blew up as soon as the first ship left.


22 posted on 06/06/2023 9:00:35 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: bitt
In order to have the desire to visit earth, the aliens must somehow have ascertained that there was something interesting here in particular (of all the places in the universe) to see. And they were advanced enough to build a craft that could get here from millions of light years away, and to fly here in it and arrive in one piece, yet stupid enough to lose once of their spacecraft one they'd got here.

Which begs the further question, how is it the people who make this crap up aren't smart enough to recognize the contradiction inherent in their fairy tale?

23 posted on 06/06/2023 9:30:58 PM PDT by threefinger
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To: bitt

Bttt.


24 posted on 06/06/2023 11:10:59 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: threefinger
...yet stupid enough to lose one of their spacecraft once they'd got here...

Don't look now, but the moon and Mars both have wreckage of human spacecraft. Sent there by the least stupid people we have.

Sooner or later there will be human bodies on other planets -- accidents happen.

Interplanetary travel is hard, Interstellar travel is even harder. Accidents happen at the other end.

Why did they come here? The very same reason our first probes to other stars will be to ones where we detect planets with liquid water on the surface and and oxygen in the atmosphere.

I am old enough to have lived most of my adult life in a world where the concept of extrasolar planets was not taken seriously. Now they are a simple fact.

25 posted on 06/06/2023 11:16:08 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Jonty30
It seems that the government may finally be pushing disclosure because the U.S. is likely losing the reverse-engineering race to China.

Whistleblower David Grusch said that our rivals are working on this, and there has been a "cold war" between nations to try to get this non-human tech to work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2B90uhFGw

Dr Sean Kirkpatrick of AARO said that the Chinese are "less risk averse about technical advancement than we are" (jump to about 33 minutes or so into this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2qvyxhdPQA&t=2126s

26 posted on 06/06/2023 11:31:30 PM PDT by chud
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To: bitt
Most mainstream scientists argue that the possible existence of spacecraft from a non-human origin is an “extraordinary claim” that is not worth a serious study until “extraordinary evidence” falls to their lap.

Very few 'mainstream' scientists argue that Evolution is possible is an “extraordinary claim” that is not worth a serious study until “extraordinary evidence” falls to their lap.

27 posted on 06/07/2023 4:27:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LukeL
If our understanding of physics is correct complete interstellar travel is basically impossible.
28 posted on 06/07/2023 4:28:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LukeL

Nah.

The second will catch up to the first and ‘rescue’ them from old technology.


29 posted on 06/07/2023 4:29:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LukeL
I have a slight understanding of wormholes

Doesn't everyone?

They are a mathematical construct.

30 posted on 06/07/2023 4:31:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cgbg
Folks who claim to have communicated with aliens say that both natural and artificial versions of this exist...

By GOD!

That's enough for me!

31 posted on 06/07/2023 4:32:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Smellin Salt

Krypton


32 posted on 06/07/2023 4:33:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bitt

Bookmark for later.


33 posted on 06/07/2023 4:38:13 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: Elsie

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole#Metrics


34 posted on 06/07/2023 4:39:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: chud

So, the Chinese’ “less risk adverse’=” research is being done in a secure lab in Wuhan?


35 posted on 06/07/2023 5:10:59 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: LukeL
...If our understanding of physics is correct...

Ok. Those objects are here. Thousands have seen them. Many witnesses are trained observers and known to be trustworthy. It just isn't reasonable to suspect they are lying or misinterpreting what they saw. Many believe in Jesus using scanter evidence.

Given that they are here, it is not sensible to hunt for reasons to suggest that they aren't here. The quest by intelligent people needs to be centered around what they are and how they got here.

Our technology is not even 200 years old at this moment in time. It isn't rational to think we have learned all there is to know about physics in that 200 years, particularly since discoveries and derivatives are still coming in. The only plausible explanation is that those objects aren't from here, and we have no idea where they came from or how they managed to travel from whence they came. It could be far away, or it could be inter-dimensional. We just don't know. Adamant adherence to explanations based upon what we know is primitive thinking.

Physical wreckage of those craft have been recovered. Too many reliable and well placed people have directly witnessed it. It is really poor judgement to believe it didn't happen just because it conflicts with our belief system or we haven't been personally given a briefing.

36 posted on 06/07/2023 5:40:11 AM PDT by GingisK
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Ever hear of any of our of advanced stuff crash? Stuff happens. Even the almighty F-35s have broke all to hell. Submarines get squished. Rockets topple over. Nobody ever said or implied that the builders of those craft are infallible or god-like. There never has been any evidence that their equipment does not suffer from defects. The evidence is contrary to that notion. So why in the world would you seize on that angle of thought?
37 posted on 06/07/2023 5:48:40 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: bitt

NEW YORK POST: The Top 5 Things Wrong with UFO Retrieval Program Story
https://youtu.be/WzrJ1YfS0hA


38 posted on 06/07/2023 7:01:11 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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I remain skeptical about UFOs being interstellar craft from some intergalactic civilization. Why would a civilization that has mastered interstellar travel and thus technology to travel faster than light or utilize wormholes want to travel here apparently repeatedly? What would they want here? If according to the famous Drake equation there are huge numbers of civilizations in the galaxy, why pick here? If invasion or enslavement were their motive, that likely would have happened. I suppose intellectual curiosity could be a reason, but still why here?

As for the government having retrieved extraterrestrial space craft or alien bodies, again I’m skeptical. The ability for our government to keep secrets for decades especially these days when a low ranking Air Force reservist can access virtually anything secret makes me wonder if such revelations would still be secret.


39 posted on 06/07/2023 8:13:42 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: bitt

Who’s to say if they aren’t interdimensional vs interstellar.


40 posted on 06/07/2023 8:28:01 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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