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Racing is Life: Steve McQueen and His Mighty Flop, Le Mans
Steyn Online ^ | 10 June 2023 | Rick McGinnis

Posted on 06/11/2023 6:29:05 AM PDT by Rummyfan

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To: Big Red Badger

Well, I had a difficult time tolerating Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby, but overall it was a great flick.


21 posted on 06/11/2023 8:20:49 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
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To: Rummyfan

Killed by asbestos.

“pleural mesothelioma, a cancer associated with asbestos exposure for which there is no known cure.”

Though a lot of speculation attributes its to his racing uniform and face cloth, he personally thought it was from removing pipe insulation aboard US Navy ships.


22 posted on 06/11/2023 8:48:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Re: McQueen co-driver Peter Revson at Sebring in 1970

Revson was the son and nephew of the two brothers who founded Revlon Cosmetics in 1932, just after the worst year of the Great Depression.

Revson was killed in 1974 taking practice laps before the South African Grand Prix. At the time, Revson was engaged to be married to a previous Miss World.

23 posted on 06/11/2023 9:01:06 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Rummyfan

The single best auto racing movie every made. Simply brilliant. The cars are the characters. It does come off as a documentary and it is true there is no plot. Sturgis did walk off the production because it seemed a mess with no plot.

Yet I rewatch LeMans at least once a year, if not twice a year. It is like being at the race. It covers all aspects and makes you feel like you are in the pits with the team.

The movie flies by like nothing. One hallmark of great movies is that they seem brief. You are so caught up in the movie, suddenly it is ending and you can’t believe you have watched an entire movie. That is “LeMans”.

People knock it for having no plot, but they completely miss the point. The cars are the characters and the movie is just brilliant and has held up fantastically over itme. Grand Prix is weak by comparison.


24 posted on 06/11/2023 9:30:51 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: Rummyfan

In my college Freshman year, before the McQueen movie, the guy across the hall from me had a LP vinyl record of the sounds of Le Mans.

The entire record - about 40 minutes - was just race car sounds, from microphones placed all around the track.

We got stoned a couple times and sat around listening to the 24 Hours of Le Mans.


25 posted on 06/11/2023 9:33:50 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Rummyfan

Shelby——
Patron Saint of Muscle Cars-—
.
Who Could fill is Drivers Gloves???
;)


26 posted on 06/11/2023 9:34:36 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Rummyfan

Coincidentally, I just rewatched “LeMans” last weekend. Just as great a movie as the first time I ever saw it. It holds up wonderfully over time, or maybe it just gets better every time I rewatch it.


27 posted on 06/11/2023 9:39:12 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: Rummyfan

I went to the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1973, but left around dawn when it got to raining pretty hard. Never have seen the movie.


28 posted on 06/11/2023 9:43:13 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Rummyfan

I believe the camera car was a Ford GT40 it can be seen in the early scenes in traffic entering the parking area. The Porsche 908 is leading the race early on and then is retired.


29 posted on 06/11/2023 9:46:30 AM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: AAABEST

The Tracks,
The Drivers,
The Fans——
I worked Indycars for 10 years and
I can confirm that It’s the Cars!


30 posted on 06/11/2023 9:46:45 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

There will never be another movie like it, racing is at high speed and not CGI. However, Rush and Ford vs Ferrari are both excellent IMHO, but they are about the story and not the so much the racing.


31 posted on 06/11/2023 9:49:43 AM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: zeestephen

Hilarious. Your own version of the Cronkite “you were there” reels.


32 posted on 06/11/2023 9:49:47 AM PDT by HonkyTonkMan ( )
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Coincidentally, I just rewatched “LeMans” last weekend. Just as great a movie as the first time I ever saw it. It holds up wonderfully over time, or maybe it just gets better every time I rewatch it.

The great thing about America is that patriots, like yourself, are free to be totally insane about their personal likes/dislikes.

Only a total gear head would proclaim that 'Lemans' was a great movie, but if you love it, that's OK with the Constitution, and I personally don't care about it, and in the immortal words of the Duke, in Big Jake, "Not one bit".

So go ahead and re-watch it again, and it will get better {for you}.

33 posted on 06/11/2023 9:55:23 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: Clay Moore
Gulf gas stations in the Midwest sold 917 models, about a foot long, in the movie Gulf-Porsche colors, as a promotion.

Had one until the dog killed it.

34 posted on 06/11/2023 10:01:10 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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The craziest thing about the 1970 Le Mans is that a Porsche 914 came in 6th overall, although that was due to horrible rain that wiped out a lot of the faster cars. Also, one 911 made it, which is unreal unto itself, and at 7th place it was the last to qualify for a finish (the other 11 or 12 911s either crashed or didn't qualify).

Well, that and the two Corvettes that were entered privately. One finished, but didn't qualify for its class, even though it completed one lap more than the 914. Here's the 1914 and the other Corvette that crashed on lap 37, probably in heavy rain:



Here for the 1970 Porsche 914/6 GT (from Revs Institute)
35 posted on 06/11/2023 10:06:33 AM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: Rummyfan
The documentary Steve McQueen: The Man & Le Mans was very good. It might help if you watch the two on the same night and let the documentary serve as a guide or commentary for the movie.

I haven't seen Grand Prix, but I expect James Garner to be more talkative, more of a character in a plot, and Steve McQueen to be less talkative and more of a brooding presence. I don't know how much Yves Montand I can take, though.

36 posted on 06/11/2023 10:17:26 AM PDT by x
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Great link to the Porsche 914-6.

Most people confuse it with the four cylinder Volkswagen 914 that was manufactured in much larger numbers in later years.

Porsche manufactured just enough 914-6s for two consecutive years to qualify for SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) races in the USA.

From memory, the 914-6s finished 1-2-3 in almost every SCCA race for two years, including two years in a row at Watkins Glen.

I was managing the parking concession at a major beach hotel at that time, and I had driven almost every car model that was street legal.

My best friend bought a 914-6, and I had no idea that was the same car that Porsche raced for two years.

My friend let me drive it for five minutes around town late at night.

Incredible! Every feature of the car - steering, braking, acceleration, road traction, shifting - was the best I have ever experienced.

37 posted on 06/11/2023 11:29:01 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Grand Prix is weak by comparison.

Grand Prix is just a soap opera by comparison. The camera work is great but the cars don't compare with Le Mans. I did really like Jessica Walter in it though.

38 posted on 06/11/2023 12:05:38 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
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I haven't seen Grand Prix, but I expect James Garner to be more talkative, more of a character in a plot, and Steve McQueen to be less talkative and more of a brooding presence.

McQueen and Garner were neighbors and shared a passion for auto racing. When Garner got that part in Grand Prix McQueen didn't speak to him for years.

39 posted on 06/11/2023 12:09:40 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
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To: Clay Moore

I loved it but I love racing and well, Steve McQueen. 😏


40 posted on 06/11/2023 12:22:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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