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Xcel Energy customers voice opposition as Public Utilities Commission weighs $45 million electric rate hike. ( Colorado )
Denver 7 ^ | Jul 11, 2023 | Jessica Porter

Posted on 07/12/2023 5:44:12 AM PDT by george76

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To: Tell It Right

I’m sure the natural gas rates hurt more. I’m naturally resistant to people who complain about electric rates. We’ve had a neighborhood in town with ancient underground electrical cables, that were rotting and needing to be repaired constantly, and every time TEP tried to put in above ground replacements they complain and block them. While of course complaining constantly about their reliability problems. After years of listening to them (they finally got their above ground wires) I just naturally assume anybody complaining about the electric company is complaining both sides.


21 posted on 07/12/2023 6:44:00 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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22 posted on 07/12/2023 7:03:36 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Don't be obtuse)
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To: george76

The PUC will do anything XCEL wants.


23 posted on 07/12/2023 7:03:50 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Da Coyote

Parts of Colorado purchase electricity from California, even when California is having brownouts and blackouts.


24 posted on 07/12/2023 7:11:44 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: Pontiac

To replace a 100MW coal plant with a Solar Plant that only outputs at 100MW from 10am to 4pm you need:

4 100MW Solar Plants
1800MW of electrical battery storage.

And, then hope it doesn’t rain and pray it doesn’t hail.


25 posted on 07/12/2023 7:14:41 AM PDT by MMusson
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To: MMusson

For homeowner with solar- pray never need to replace the roof either


26 posted on 07/12/2023 7:18:00 AM PDT by dkGba
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To: Obadiah

It may be time to start looking for another country to call home. :(


27 posted on 07/12/2023 8:25:05 AM PDT by kelly4c
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During the 2017 legislative session, Xcel.. failed in the Colorado state Senate.. because it made zero economic sense to force Coloradans to pay to shut down our most affordable and dependable - paid for - power plants that run 24/7, in favor of unreliable wind turbines and solar panels that increase electricity costs while decreasing dependability.

After the session, Xcel changed its tune.. by going to then governor Hickenlooper and the Public Utilities Commission for something it could not get passed through the Legislature... as its Minnesota executives and Wall Street shareholders laugh their way to the bank. Kickbacks to .. ?.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3689070/posts


28 posted on 07/12/2023 9:24:35 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Peak residential electricity rate is already 0.27 / kwhr due to time of day pricing. That is the summer afternoon rate. You know, when it is hot and people need to run their air conditioning.

https://co.my.xcelenergy.com/s/billing-payment/residential-rates/time-of-use-pricing#:~:text=The%20off%2Dpeak%20period%20occurs,3%20%2D%207%20p.m.)%20hours.

It used to be one of the lowest in the US.


29 posted on 07/12/2023 11:01:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Pontiac

“When China finally falls I am sure it will have done the same.”

When China falls their most immediate problem will be cannibalism. If the food doesn’t get to the cities it’ll make the siege of Leningrad look like a four-star restaurant dinner.


30 posted on 07/12/2023 9:31:16 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: george76
Jared Schutz Polis’ ( and his husband) goal of 100% renewable energy is to crush working Americans- to freeze in the dark.. with unreliable and expensive energy - that does not work 24-7..

At least he will have saved the world for the obscenely wealthy and politically connected.

31 posted on 07/13/2023 5:40:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: MMusson
To replace a 100MW coal plant with a Solar Plant that only outputs at 100MW from 10am to 4pm you need:

And, then hope it doesn’t rain and pray it doesn’t hail.

And to double the trouble those same conditions shutdown a wind turbine.

Wind generally rises and falls with the sun.

Also, if wind speed rises above 55 mph wind turbines shutdown for self protection. If they don’t they will overspeed and fly apart.

So, both wind and solar are useless in bad weather or after sun set.

32 posted on 07/13/2023 5:51:20 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
Greenies claim to care about the environment and yet they are tearing up mountainsides to put up wind turbines.

I despise these dumbass city sheltered goons. They know nothing. _______ BUT am very green here as far as planting 17- ten-year-old fruit trees. Buyers love the fruits_____________________ So my trees (credit goes to God-Hashem) are absorbing CO2 and putting out o2

33 posted on 07/13/2023 5:53:36 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: george76

Force everybody to buy electric cars and trucks. Electric rates will go down as demand increases. /s


34 posted on 07/13/2023 5:55:19 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Faux News: "We distort, you deride")
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To: dennisw

An if CO2 levels were higher your trees would grow faster and produce more fruit.


35 posted on 07/13/2023 6:04:48 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Tell It Right
I know a lot of FReepers hate solar. But decentralized solar (solar for an individual or family, not for the grid) gives us some cushion against the Dims' stupid war on energy.

I don’t hate solar or wind power. I just don’t like the government interfering in the private sector. I certainly do not want to be taxed more or others to be taxed less so that they can make improvements to their property.

I don’t wannt the government deciding winners and losers in the market.

That is corruption.

I don’t want the government creating entire new industries like carbon sequestration that will provide an entirely useless service.

Global Warming is the largest scam ever pulled on the people of the world.

It is a huge con-job to transfer wealth from the middle class to the rich and politically connected.

36 posted on 07/13/2023 6:18:00 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

CO2 means more tree and vegetable growth. Which means more food for all. Not that the stupid brainwashed libs care.


37 posted on 07/13/2023 6:32:45 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: Pontiac
On those things we're in agreement. The govt shouldn't be picking the winners and losers.

I'll use the solar tax credit as an example, which you'd think I'd be for since I'm receiving it. All it did was artificially inflate the prices I paid for my solar equipment and installation, very much like tax credits/subsidies do in other industries (i.e. college tuition and books costs artificially inflated from all the government money to "help" students). So the solar tax credit hurt me up front, only to "help" me when I get a larger tax refund. And even then I have to wait years to get that money back. (The solar tax credit is non-refundable, but can carry forward to future tax years if your tax liability is less than the tax credit. So when I get my tax refund in early 2025 I'll finally get back in total tax credits the extra I paid up front in 2022.) That's one of many examples of how even solar and an EV would be better in the free market than with government "help".

Or take energy. Imagine if the government got out of the way of drilling for oil and natural gas and mining for coal. And if they also got out of the way of drilling for cobalt, nickel, and copper in Minnesota (elements necessary for EV batteries and solar batteries). Then everybody, EV owners and ICE owners, could buy cheaper cars and drive them cheaper. Everybody would be better off.

Or take charging the EV on a road trip. There are a lot of entrepreneurs who are interested in investing in a charging station to make a little extra money at their restaurant or store (shop while you wait 15 minutes for a charge). But they're afraid to to invest in a charger because they're afraid of a future Volkswagen emissions settlement (remember dieselgate?) causing a new charger array owned by Electrify America (which is owned by Volkswagen) being set up a few blocks away that's free charging for the first year or two of owning an EV. Basically, government "help" with chargers is limiting the # of chargers EV owners can choose from.

38 posted on 07/13/2023 6:38:56 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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I love coal and coal generated electricity. Just install proper German model scrubbers.... My mother came from coal country in PA so I am prejudiced for coal/ American born oil and natural gas too.


39 posted on 07/13/2023 7:41:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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I love coal too. I come from (and still live near) an area built up from coal mining and a steel plant. There's a natural gas pump about 3 miles from here as the crow flies.

Coal, natural gas, and oil are vastly superior to solar. Except for the one fact that I can't produce them on my own. I don't like mine and my wife's lifestyles and finances being dictated by the over-regulating political class and their stupid energy policies getting in between us and our energy.

40 posted on 07/13/2023 7:52:20 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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