Posted on 08/16/2023 9:38:29 AM PDT by Vendome
You have summarized exactly what I have been thinking.
And Levin is right as well.
If this is to stand, any petty municipal attorney could fabricate a litany of charges against a President and take them to court AFTER their term is up while prattling that immunity does not survive the term.
If that is true it extinguishes the Immunity clause.
And Chris Wray will have squadrons of spooks taking pictures of everyone of those 5 million.
The prosecutions have had their intended effect: everyone on the Right fears to express their opinion and protest even peaceably. The Jamaican “judge” and her equally frozen faced overseeing judge “Howell” have made sure of that with their un-Constitutionally Draconian sentences.
That is an excellent point about the state of surveillance back in 1969, Wallace.
If you were to go today and simply cannot go without a mobile phone, take a burner phone and destroy it. Maybe take multiple inactivated burners; activate one each day and destroy it at the end of every day.
Just posting such an idea may be cause for concern!
The crimes he is being accused of were allegedly committed while Trump was the President of the United States.
Trump did not set foot in Georgia so Georgia would have no jurisdiction to indict Trump for anything he did while he was President.
He was acting in his official capacity as the head of the Executive Branch.
If he committed a crime while acting as the President, he could only be impeached. By Congress.
He was.
He was a acquitted.
This is a joke.
What the Dims should have done is not rule in the Dred Scott case in SCOTUS that blacks can never be citizens of the U.S. That was the Dims basically telling the newly founded abolitionist Republican Party that winning on issues at the state level was no longer enough.
And maybe Dim president Buchanan shouldn't have ordered federal troops to stay at military bases within Confederate territory. Practically begging Confederates to attack.
And maybe it didn't help that the Dims tried multiple times to assassinate President-elect Lincoln while he toured Maryland to try to calm tensions and hopefully prevent a war (or at least keep Maryland out of it).
And maybe the Dim Confederates shouldn't have blockaded Fort Moultrie and Fort Sumter, practically begging Dim still Prez Buchannan to intervene.
And maybe Dim Confederate President Jefferson Davis shouldn't have ordered the full attack on Fort Sumter.
Then maybe, just maybe, there would have been no civil war.
Lincoln made a more than reasonable effort to calm things in those six weeks. But after the attack, he couldn't control the warmongers in his own party. Col. Robert E. Lee who quelled the raid on Harper's Ferry didn't quit the Union Army until Lincoln's warmongers talked him into a full scale invasion of Virginia rather than a punishment gesture like sealing off Charleston harbor which might have succeeded.
Four states joined the Confederacy only AFTER the decision was made to invade Virginia-- Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina.
bttt
I’ll tell you...giving up implies despair. What I am doing is sitting back to watch the deliciousness of people that will eventually get the living hell of just what they are supporting.
It’s going to be spectacular to watch. I think a lot of people think the decline will be slow and gradual. I think it is going to happen a lot faster and be a lot worse than people think. At this point, I can’t wait. Let it all burn.
Does that answer your question?
If they haven’t tried, then how do you know?
The Constitution grants the president the power to pardon “offenses against the United States”. An offense that violates state law, but not federal law, is an offense against that state rather than an offense against the United States; however, the Supreme Court has never ruled on this matter or in the President’s power to grant a habeas corpus petition for a state offense where it has been denied by a federal court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States
Maybe I'm wrong. But I was under the impression that Virginia fought first.
On April 17, 1861, the Virginia governor announced that the Virginia militia had taken the armory at Harper's Ferry, VA, even before their vote to secede.
Then on April 20 General Lee resigns from the US Army.
Then the Union does a naval blockade of Virginia (end of April).
Then on May 18 was the Battle of Sewell's Point (Union ship fired on CSS ship as part of the blockade, little damage to either side).
Then on May 23, 1861 Virginia voted to secede.
With Lincoln/Washington DC surrounded by Maryland (which had already tried twice to assonate Lincoln) and Virginia attaching the federal armory then seceding, is it any wonder Lincoln reasoned: "Ya know what, Cletus? Me thinks we better do something about these people who surround us attacking us."
Hopefully Republican district attorneys in Republican districts around the nation are currently looking into ways to indict the Biden crime family using the same theories now used by the DA’s in NY and Georgia.
And be sure and leave your cell phone, notebook PC, smart watch, and any other tracking devices at home.
How do you avoid facial tracking recognition? Almost the entire U.S. population above the age of 16 have driver’s licenses or at least ID cards.
Lincoln called for volunteers to invade the south and supress the rebellion three days later, April 15.
The Virginia legislature voted for secession two days later, April 17 in response. Their militia secured Harper's Ferry the same day.
It wasn't until a month later (May 23) that Virginia held a referendum to ratify the secession which the legislature had voted for.
Until Tennessee seceded on May 7, Virgina remained isolated from the rest of the Confederate States.
The capital was moved from Montgomery to Richmond the following day, probably as a ploy to secure Virginia's vote in the referendum scheduled later in the month.
On May 20, North Carolina became the 11th and last state to join the confederacy. Kentucky proclaimed its neutrality the same day which lasted only until the CSA army invaded the state on September 3.
Wear a face mask (democrat shoplifters have already figured that one out), sunglasses and a wide brimmed hat.
I don’t think you understand the Supremacy Clause. It basically says that when there is a conflict between federal and state laws, federal law prevails. States are indeed a separate sovereign, and that is why someone can be tried for the same crime at the state and federal levels.
“Double jeopardy does not prevent multiple charges for the same crime from different jurisdictions. If a crime violated the laws of multiple states, then each state may press charges. Likewise, if a crime violated both state and federal law, then it would be allowable to have two criminal suits for the same crime.”
The only way the Supremacy Clause would come into play is if Federal law specifically allowed something and state law prohibited it, or vice versa. A good example is marijuana laws. Regardless of the fact that many states have legalized weed, you can still be charged federally for marijuana possession or distribution in any state in the country.
In this case, unless there is a specific federal law saying that a past president cannot be charged for crimes he committed while president, the Supremacy Clause would not come into play, as there is no conflict between the two. There is a DOJ prohibition against indicting a sitting president, but Trump is no longer a sitting president. There should be a prohibition against indicting even a former president for actions he took in his job as president, but the argument could be made that many of the actions alleged were taken in his role as candidate, not as president. That would be an interesting case to hear argued.
If Biden “wins,” the DeSantis followers will claim that their boy “would have won.” Until the next shiny idol appears.
Hope you send that to them. Seems very on point to me.
You are wrong, one of the reasons the clause exists is to prevent the indictment of a president for the execution of duties. The clause exists to prevent such interference of the executive duties in this manner. GA is literally doing just that. All actions listed in the indictment were during and in the execution of his duties.
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