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Maui residents who disobeyed barricade survived fires: AP
ap ^ | August 23, 2023 | Lauren Sforza

Posted on 08/23/2023 11:26:01 AM PDT by george76

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Right. Our former neighbor, Gladys Kravitz, when discussing the vax, told me, “You have to trust the government”. Immediately, on instinct, I laughed in her face. Poor old lady - LOL.


101 posted on 08/23/2023 3:07:48 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Right. Our former neighbor, Gladys Kravitz, when discussing the vax, told me, “You have to trust the government”. Immediately, on instinct, I laughed in her face. Poor old lady - LOL.


102 posted on 08/23/2023 3:07:48 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

Fascinating story and typical of Yahoo and others. Sensationalizing the trauma which of course is very real.

Where are the questions/investigations about why there were blockades? No tough questions because they know the blocked road leads to libtards, demhogs and any other repulsive term one might have for Democrats.

There needs to be people hanging from ashen trees over this colossal screw up. You don’t get to resign, you get to die.....like the people you let get slaughtered.


103 posted on 08/23/2023 3:14:46 PM PDT by SteelPSUGOP
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To: MayflowerMadam
I spent most of my life overseas and I knew that my life and well being was at the very bottom of things the local government cared about.

When I came back stateside I thought it was different here. And it was. Mostly. Lots of incompetence and sheer stupidity but not a lot of actual malice.

About twenty five years ago I sensed a change. Less stupidity and more malice and then it hit a tipping point where I saw innocent people being ground up by the system for no real reason on a consistent basis.

Now, I trust none of them. I wish I was wrong.

104 posted on 08/23/2023 3:18:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: linMcHlp; All

Lovely. Just, lovely.

Is there some reason that sea-side towns or cities can’t pump water directly out of the ocean if a seaside town or city bursts into flame?

Granted, it probably leaves more of a mess, but the fire might get put out in a timely manner and lives saved.

Meh. I’m always too practical. We’ve got to consider Mother Government’s THUMB ON THE SCALE in ALL practical matters these days.

And Brandon’s ‘10% for the Big Guy.’

*SPIT*


105 posted on 08/23/2023 3:21:17 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“Now, I trust none of them. I wish I was wrong.”

You’re not wrong. :(


106 posted on 08/23/2023 3:26:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: george76
Pete Arredondo, police chief of Uvalde during the massacre, ran for City Council and won.

Minorities of every stripe don't care, they are so beaten down by life they simply dgaf.

107 posted on 08/23/2023 3:58:20 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: george76

It was deliberate murder.


108 posted on 08/23/2023 4:27:53 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Somewhere there should be a "Master Plan" that includes info on the construction of a "dry hydrant" where a fire department would have access to water source - other than having to run lines to a distant / in-accessible pond or ocean water.

Along the oceanside - typically for a roadway . . .

Per hydrant, there should be a below-ground tank of considerable size (at least 10,000 gallons) that is fed by a combination of a pipe that runs in from the ocean -PLUS- a second underground tank (system) that is fed by rainwater.

The water-strainers at the ocean end of the pipe and inside the second undergrand tank, need to be maintained. The strainers might have replaceable "socks" that would be cleaned - thus, "changing socks" are intervals.

Along the roadway vector, there might be a series of "second underground" tanks that are piped together.

The second tank system being independent from the municipal "domestic" water system."

The cistern tank per hydrant (ie not the second tank), includes a float valve mechanism that shuts off the flow of water from the ocean until the water level drops enough - that means the second tank (rainwater system) flow is not enough.

Somewhere in the local government records or library files, we would probably find a history of where some contributors to such a project, tried again and again . . . but met resistance from socialist party purity.

There is an unfortunate, politically-correct (jobs-preservation outranks preservation) symmetry to the dockside USS Bonhomme Richard fire and the oceanside Lahaina fire.

109 posted on 08/23/2023 5:12:17 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: george76

DAY AFTER FIRE FOOTAGE: 4K Drone Lahaina Maui Fire - Longest & Most Detailed Aerial View

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PSYNqZqAVs


110 posted on 08/23/2023 5:59:03 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

You ‘splained it perfectly. :)

I’d better shut up now, or some Socialist Democrat will come up with the smart idea of draining our Great Lakes to fight fires THOUSANDS of miles away.

Seriously? Live by fresh water and a few food sources; Fish, wild game, tillable land. How hard is that to understand? Learn to bake bread, to grow tomatoes and green beans, to sew on a button or to sew up a wound on a person, a pet or livestock.

You know, when it ALL goes South, I’m gonna be Queen of the World! ;)

Nah, they’ll kill me FIRST because I, ‘know too much.’ But FIRST - they gotta catch me. ;)


111 posted on 08/23/2023 6:01:45 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: MayflowerMadam

you know gladys?

she moved to my neighborhood


112 posted on 08/23/2023 10:55:53 PM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: joshua c

LOL! She’s everywhere. When talking TO her sometimes I couldn’t remember her name is Judy. A lovely lady, just very nosey.

Her husband isn’t Abner.


113 posted on 08/24/2023 3:41:23 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam
If Gladys Kravitz lived in Lahaina, she likely would have died. The adults that died in the fire were likely those who took the vaccines, voted for the Democrat 100% of the time, believed in global climate change, have accepted the LBGTQ agenda, etc.
114 posted on 08/24/2023 3:48:44 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

You’re right.


115 posted on 08/24/2023 3:55:48 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: george76
This was a holocaust. Sickening.


116 posted on 08/24/2023 5:51:31 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Kahuna
My home for more than 20 years will never be the same.

I am so sorry for your island's profound loss, Kahuna. This is unspeakably sad. I've never even been to Hawai'i, but it's held in mind by many mainlanders as an American paradise. These stories are like the weeks after 9/11 to me -- they bring tears. God bless you.

117 posted on 08/24/2023 6:03:30 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: ZOOKER
Mrs. ZOOKER said the fire was deliberately set to clear the island and rebuild it as a private playground for the elites.

The monied interests in England and southern Scotland did it to the highland Scots -- burned them out of their primitive thatched dwellings, for political purposes. The warring highland clans whose Stone Age histories in the highlands stretched back 12,000 years were regarded much the same as our English and Dutch settlers regarded the native Americans. Their hard but wild and free life in nature herding sheep, shooting game, singing and dancing on the magnificent hillsides? Contests of strength or games of golf in the valleys around the misty lochs? Meh.

It was called the Highland Clearances. “The eviction of the Gaels” took place in two phases, between 1750 to 1860.

Those highlanders who survived were driven south to live in shabby tenements and toil as manufacturing wage slaves and import/export dockworkers for the upsurging Industrial Revolution. For a century afterward, Glasgow looked like our Pittsburgh during the steel era—so black with soot it looked like evening at noon, with ghettos full of demoralized or enraged highlanders who didn't wear trousers and couldn't even speak English, with lung disease and urban dangers around every corner.

118 posted on 08/24/2023 6:30:29 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Those still missing after this much time in such an isolated small area must be nearly all dead, or never there in the first place.

Someone who actually cares will have to search land or tenancy records, since whole families were incinerated and may have had no outsiders looking for them. Unless, of course, helpful government agents destroy those records, saying they were burned in the fire.

This is so reminiscent of Pompeii. Those who could fled out into the water, where nevertheless, many whose lungs or bodies weren't burned treaded water unto exhaustion or drowned. In the ruined city long covered over by time, archaeological excavators are still finding bodies frozen into ghastly defensive postures as hot ash covered, smothered and roasted them. But nature sent that molten mess, not pompous greedy aholes like in Lahaina.

Given that Hawai'i is full of volcanoes, you'd think all the islands would have developed an effective fire response. But who am I kidding, when money and power wants what it wants?

119 posted on 08/24/2023 6:52:01 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: DeplorablePaul
It seems every government official conspired to kill all those poor people. If the plan was to burn out the natives and claim their property, we will soon know.

Just like we quickly knew who killed Kennedy.

As for the possibility of a plan, see post 118.

120 posted on 08/24/2023 6:59:16 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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