Posted on 09/13/2023 1:57:50 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Toyota has sold a crapton of hybrids, maybe Ford is just doing it wrong
Spot on. Hydrogen is the way to go for sure. I think a lot of folks are scared of hydrogen. When the word hydrogen is brought up folks have visions of the Hindenburg tragedy. Don’t know how to get past that.
I wondered that as well. In the past we would have allowed competition, like during the 20’s between alternatives such as electric, hybrid, gas, or hydrogen. Or betters either think they are smarter or have an ulterior motive.
Who’d a thunk!?
Worse FORD stopped making ICE passenger cars.
It’s dangerous. Hydrogen molecules are so tiny it’s almost impossible to contain. Seals and connections in a vibrating road vehicle simply will leak and form an explosive mixture with the oxygen in the air. I can’t quote any statistics but I’d guess the fire hazard - or worse - is considerably more likely than in an EV.
Offload that acceleration requirement onto an electric motor, and the IC engine can be far smaller.
Electric motors make maximum torque at zero RPM. This is why locomotives are diesel/electric. With electric boost, the hybrid's IC engine can be tuned to work over a much narrower RPM range, which makes it even more efficient.
Never mind that a hybrid charges its' own battery, eliminating the need to find a charger every couple of hours when on a long trip.
I'd consider a hybrid, but NEVER a pure plug-in electric.
Plug-in EVs are STUPID. Except maybe for golf carts.
Takes more energy to make H than it makes.
Hydrogen fuel cell tanks in cars are not that explosive. Hydrogen storage tanks at gas stations are more of an issue. You would need a really big storage tank to fuel the same number of vehicles as you can fuel with a typical gas station storage tank. Then there is the issue of refilling all those gas station storage tanks.
You store hydrogen as a metal hydride and extract it as needed. Palladium can absorb 900 times it’s weight in hydrogen, for example. Ammonia-based storage has the most potential as it can safely store twice the energy as compressed hydrogen. It’s a solvable problem.
You can store hydrogen by ball milling boron nitride in a hydrogen atmosphere.
So when you “fill up” you swap out an old canister of boron nitride with hydrogenated boron nitride, then the store can send it away to be “charged” again.
Aside from hydrogen embrittlement of steel it could perhaps be used in an internal combustion engine.
“Hybrid has unlimited range as long as there’s gasoline.”
A plug-in hybrid sounds even more attractive to me.
I think a hybrid gets better fuel economy because its gas engine can operate most of the time in a narrow rpm/torque range, and when in that range it is more efficient than the conventional gas engine.
Also the battery/motor part can help the engine when needed.
But I’m not sure. If someone knows more please tell us.
The fraud of “green energy” was only birthed with zero-interest rates, growing debt, globalization, world peace, deflation, cheap oil, and the hegemony of the USA - allowing governments to push stupid, uneconomic schemes on people.
ALL of those trends are reversing.
Declare hydrogen to be LGBT compliant—then the mass media will get their kneepads out....
once they go all electric
they will sell a lot less cars
many will be forced onto public transportation
for many evs are not feasible or affordable
Does the fact that locomotives are diesel electric carry over to mean that hybrids should also bring diesel electric instead of gasoline electric? Does anyone make a hybrid that is diesel electric on a passenger car?
And when the hydrogen cars arrive, the first model will be called the Hindenberg. The second model will be the Hugh Manatee.
A lot of things possible in a lab environment or a static factory environment become problematic and risky at 80mph.
Beyond that, we need to know the dollar and energy cost of scaled hydrogen production, the storage in whatever form, the extraction from said form, the deployment in a combustible form, the usable energy ratio, the engine conversions and/or all new engines, plus the cost of nationwide infrastructure every step along the way.
It does not sound cheap. And all so unnecessary. But - like EVs - if there’s billions of dollars for a relative few to cash in on, some powerful people will be pushing it. It’s all about extracting the cash from the rubes, after all..
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