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Ford’s EV Plan in Trouble
MSN ^ | 09/13/2023 | Douglas A. McIntyre

Posted on 09/13/2023 1:57:50 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: citizen

One way to store hydrogen, with good energy density at reasonable pressures and temperatures, is to combine it with carbon.


61 posted on 09/13/2023 6:28:49 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

One would consider a hybrid truck for the reasons you mention, plus the functionality as a generator, good for running corded power tools and appliances, etc. Especially in a 3/4 ton trucks that would be da bomb.

However, one is driving one’s last Ford today. One will consider all available brands before Ford, if one has need for a new truck sometime in the future.


62 posted on 09/13/2023 6:36:03 PM PDT by OKSooner (Maybe Quix was right about some stuff. Pronouns=(XY, XYim, XY's))
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To: cuban leaf

My pet rock is still a useful paperweight

An electric pickup was never useful.


63 posted on 09/13/2023 6:42:14 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Chad C. Mulligan; All

Yep, I have a 2022 “Powerboost” Hybrid F-150...430 HP, 23 mpg highway, 500+ mile range on one tank. And 7,200 watts (120v/240v) of AC power available in the bed of the truck. Like it so far, but lots (30+) “modules”(”computers”) to worry about...(gotta plug my laptop into it for “insights”)...may have to trade it in at 3 years/36K to avoid electrical “gremlins”? We’ll see.


64 posted on 09/13/2023 6:44:12 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Phoenix8

Companies like PlugPower, Ballard, FuelCell have been trying to make it work for several decades now. For golf carts and space capsules ok; for cars and trucks, won’t work.


65 posted on 09/13/2023 7:06:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Elsie

Oh, noes! It’s worse than I thought.


66 posted on 09/13/2023 8:19:53 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: Phoenix8

I posted this on a different thread, but applies here as well. According to Wikipedia:

“As of 2022, commercial electrolysis requires around 53 kWh of electricity to produce one kg of hydrogen, which holds 33.6 kWh of energy.”

Not very efficient if you are getting it from water, unless you have more electric power than you know what to do with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#:~:text=As%20of%202022%2C%20commercial%20electrolysis,holds%2033.6%20kWh%20of%20energy


67 posted on 09/13/2023 11:01:56 PM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: MRadtke; All

In my part of CA 53 kWh costs about $21.00, and apparently the best efficiency hydrogen fuel cell car (Toyota Mirai) gets about 150 miles per kg of hydrogen. So about the same as a 33 mpg gasoline car at current $4.77/gal. CA gas prices? (BTW: Toyota Marai’s not selling real well in SoCal despite generous subsidies/credits from the govt.)(too few hydrogen filling stations & fueling issues w/”freeze ups”).


68 posted on 09/13/2023 11:17:07 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Elsie

No; it literally takes more energy, in the form of electricity (coal, NG, etc), to make H than burning H generates.


69 posted on 09/14/2023 2:48:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Charles Martel

I *WAS* thinking of replacing my 2012 F-150 Ecoboost with a new plug-in hybrid F-150, as I seldom tow anything more than a utility trailer. I *do* pull the boat out on the trailer once a year, and put it back in in the spring, but the ‘neighborhood’ boat ramp is directly across the street - about a 300 yard tow. Even the Lightning could handle that.

BUT! the Lightning cannot get me to and from our 1200 acre deer lease. (no electricity or water etc there)


70 posted on 09/14/2023 4:40:53 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

sooooo true.


71 posted on 09/14/2023 4:42:54 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

And the really amazing thing is that these combinations of carbon and hydrogen, or “hydrocarbons” as I call them, occur naturally in enormous quantities. It seems as if people could recover them and put them to some sort of use.


72 posted on 09/14/2023 5:35:13 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: All; anyone
All this talk is redundant as I think I’ve solved the energy crisis. Don’t share this Ya’ll because I haven’t got a patent on it yet: IMG-8937
73 posted on 09/14/2023 6:48:41 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

74 posted on 09/14/2023 6:54:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

😹

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKhnQHTVSQ

Not joking did you know mini AOC videos were pulled because she was getting death threats from the left? Death threats on an 8 year old girl…that is a sobering thought.


75 posted on 09/14/2023 7:04:58 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: ChicagoConservative27

But have you seen the 2024 Mustang GT? It’s a winner.


76 posted on 09/14/2023 7:15:24 AM PDT by 38special (I should've said something earlier)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Then you get cydroharbon


77 posted on 09/14/2023 7:19:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MRadtke

Why would ANYONE want to make our water disappear this way?

Them darned folks that live in a DESERT perhaps??


78 posted on 09/14/2023 7:21:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 38special

...off the line anyway.


79 posted on 09/14/2023 7:23:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

the original article is so poorly written that it must have been written by a high school dropout or AI, AND without the touch of an editor familiar with the english language ...


80 posted on 09/14/2023 8:25:27 AM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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