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New top American general says Israeli goal of toppling Hamas ‘a pretty large order’
Times of Israel ^ | November 10, 2023 | JACOB MAGID

Posted on 11/10/2023 10:44:45 AM PST by SJackson

Edited on 11/10/2023 11:09:54 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Chode

Ebonics

It’s in their hearing - DNA

Diet too


41 posted on 11/10/2023 11:31:01 AM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplif ication / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: SJackson

Charley Brown?

So, seems the Peanuts gang seized the Pentagon in its entirety now.


42 posted on 11/10/2023 11:38:05 AM PST by aligncare ( Make America America Again…Trump 2024)
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To: SJackson
Israel will have a harder time eradicating Hamas the longer its military campaign in the Gaza Strip drags out and the more civilians that are killed in the process

Hmmm. I'd say the opposite. I'm not a general, much less a Democrat, but it seems to me wiping out a terrorist cell takes time and patience--so, the more time invested, the higher the odds of complete success.

That's all Hamas is--a large terrorist cell. As for "civilians" being killed in the process--what's a civilian? Does Hamas have any adult civilians in Gaza who aren't terrorist spies, supporters, shields, or hostages? By all means, let them come forward. (Stealthily.)

The enemy has to be exterminated, or no Western government is safe. We should be grateful Israel is taking the lead on this. The only way to eliminate a parasite is to kill every last one.

But thanks for the advice.

Traitor.

43 posted on 11/10/2023 11:39:01 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SJackson

Well with that observation, how about we go to the vaporization plan.


44 posted on 11/10/2023 11:49:17 AM PST by Mouton (US Home to one party rule)
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To: Salvavida

Signaling that the US is getting ready to stop Israel in its successful campaign in order to save Hamas.


45 posted on 11/10/2023 11:57:54 AM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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To: SJackson
US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Charles Q. Brown

Good grief...

asked whether he is concerned that the rapidly climbing non-combatant death toll in Israel’s war against Hamas will lead Palestinian civilians to turn to terror, responded, “Yes, very much so..."

I posted this screed on another thread on November 1:


I think that we (the United States) have put too much emphasis on 1) proportional response, and 2) what the "Arab Street" thinks.

Regarding #1, the United States, in some way, is probably still suffering a guilt at being the only nation (still) to use a nuclear weapon against an enemy in a time of war. There is no proportional response to that, other than that the nukes are stronger now and more plentiful now.

The admonition against Israel to be proportional in their retaliation for crimes against humanity towards them is really the USA promising itself that it won't use nuclear weapons again. However, the USA has pulled so far back from that red line that they won't even fight conventional wars with overwhelming conventional force anymore. The concept of decisive battles and decisive wins is now foreign to us, and therefore, to anyone else who has the strength to do the same against their own enemies.

It's a stigma that we have to finally rid ourselves of. We, as a nation through our leaders, have to say that we've proven ourselves since 1945 that we prefer peace, but our strength means nothing if we're afraid to use it decisively to pursue peaceful ends. Anything short of decisive use of our overwhelming strength only emboldens our enemies to keep provoking, to keep winning incremental gain after incremental gain until they achieve their victories despite us.

This brings me to #2. The "Arab Street" is a bogeyman that the left created since the Iran hostage crisis to paralyze the United States into inaction in the Middle East. Our leaders keep convincing themselves to do nothing decisive because it will "inflame the Arab Street," or now that it will "coalesce the region into a real Military alliance against Israel." Is this really true, or is this just another bogeyman to talk us out of acting decisively? In 1979, we were told that whatever we did would become "recruitment posters" for the Islamic Jihadists, and so we did nothing.

I think the true "Arab Street" is tired of the constant fighting, and they're equally tired of being told that they only say that privately but that publicly they have to support their Arab neighbors. The Trump "Abraham Accords" was a very public peace plan between Israel, the UAE, and Bahrain that belies the notion that Israel's neighbors don't want peace.

Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty in 1979 as the Camp David Accords, and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian Islamic Jihad because of it three years later. The radical Islamists didn't want peace.

In 1994, Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty, followed in 1995 with the Oslo Accords with the Palestine Liberation Organization, and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated because of it by a radical Israeli law student. The Israeli student was angered by giving away the Gaza Strip to the PLO.

And now, the October 7 attack by Hamas in Israel is said to have been done to stop the Abraham Accords from going forward.

The only real "Arab Street" uprising that occurred was the so-called "Arab Spring" uprisings that began in 2011, led to the resignation of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and ended with the assassination of Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi. This was an entirely Arab uprising that had nothing to do with Israel or the United States (except for political tampering by the Obama administration).

So I think the idea that "the front against Israel in the region will coalesce into a real Military alliance against Israel" is likely to be more political inertia than reality, 20th century thinking, and not the reality of today. It's the radical terrorist groups that are inciting the violence, and Israel's modernized neighbors don't want those influences inside their own countries or they'd have taken in the Palestinians decades ago. It's only the throwback countries like Iran and their proxy states like Yemen and Lebanon that are pushing regional conflicts to destabalize peace with Israel.

I think that places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, and other wealthy neighboring states want to see the radical Islamists stopped and would be happy to see Israel do it once and for all. THIS is something they may have to say privately so that the religious fanatical Jihadists don't turn on them, but I don't think the bogeyman of the "Arab Street" coalescing against Israel is a real threat.


-PJ
46 posted on 11/10/2023 12:05:32 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: aligncare

Yeah. Charlie’s used to having the football moved away when he’s trying to kick it


47 posted on 11/10/2023 12:21:48 PM PST by Palio di Siena (P01135809)
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To: SJackson

When you’re a midget, everything looks big.


48 posted on 11/10/2023 12:21:55 PM PST by Spok (It takes a lot of learning to understand how little we know. (Paraphrasing Thomas Sowell.))
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To: ConservativeInPA

He doesn’t know too much about how terroristic the Japanese were after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


49 posted on 11/10/2023 12:22:53 PM PST by libstripper
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To: SJackson

US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Charles Q. Brown


General Brown, with all due respect, how many wars has the U.S. military won during your career? During your lifetime? Japanese and German civilian deaths were much higher in the last war we did win and we haven’t had problems with either nation since.


50 posted on 11/10/2023 12:26:51 PM PST by hanamizu ( )
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To: Firehath

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51 posted on 11/10/2023 12:30:42 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: SJackson

The truth is very simple, black and white. Hamas is evil, and anyone siding with Hamas is siding with rabid Islamists who want to destroy Israel and then the US.


52 posted on 11/10/2023 12:59:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming)
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To: Chode

Chonga chonga

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53 posted on 11/10/2023 1:03:44 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplif ication / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: little jeremiah

I agree. I’ll note I don’t think the General is siding with Hamas. A pretty large order, sure, that’s what the military is about. For the benefit of our country, I hope that’s the context of the General’s comments. “Large orders”, that what our military does, even really large orders, and really, really large orders.


54 posted on 11/10/2023 1:12:38 PM PST by SJackson (In a war of ideas it is people who get killed.)
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To: SJackson

Ain’t nothing like a positive attitude leading our military.


55 posted on 11/10/2023 2:00:57 PM PST by Flint
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To: SJackson

And a bunch of back woods farmers and shopkeepers couldn’t defeat the biggest and most well trained army and navy in the world, huh general.


56 posted on 11/10/2023 2:02:50 PM PST by Flint
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To: SJackson

EASY PEASY!

KILLEM ALL!


57 posted on 11/10/2023 3:19:25 PM PST by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: SJackson

Wow! Charlie Brown, a General?


58 posted on 11/10/2023 5:48:59 PM PST by b4me
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To: SJackson

That order MUST be done, tall or not. The rot is a danger both to America and Israel.


59 posted on 11/11/2023 8:57:27 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: SJackson

Another REGIME FLUNKY


60 posted on 11/12/2023 3:24:12 PM PST by ZULU (DUMP RONA ROMNEY MCDANIELS!!!)
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