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It’s Time For Pro-Lifers To Scrap Their Losing Electoral Strategy And Adopt The Lincoln Method
The Federalist ^ | 11/13/2023 | JEFFREY H. ANDERSON

Posted on 11/13/2023 10:09:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, stand before God and explain away why you were willing to cave on baby killing.


41 posted on 11/13/2023 10:45:26 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Newbomb Turk
Why Abortion Isn't Going Away
42 posted on 11/13/2023 10:47:43 AM PST by Publius
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To: Hambone 1934

You expect to win the abortion issue in the states with …Margaret Sanger…PP” when 80 to 90 percent of young men won’t get married because their “fiancés are willing to kill any offspring that might slip through the birth control failures?

When birth control is all women have to keep this ‘fiancés’ from ditching them?


43 posted on 11/13/2023 10:47:55 AM PST by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

The Lincoln argument is flawed. He did not fight to ban slavery because he saw the “peculiar institution” as bad economics. He said that he saw the economics of slavery failing in the next 20 years as machinery took over the role of slaves, and he expected planters to abandon human labor. Slavery would thus simply wither away.

That is not happening with abortion.

I agree, however, that it is counterproductive in the near term to simply ban abortion. Better to strangle it with regulation.


44 posted on 11/13/2023 10:50:45 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: SeekAndFind

A and sound approach. Which means most FReers will hate it as they’re not tired of losing.


45 posted on 11/13/2023 10:51:57 AM PST by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind
I think conservatives are approaching this issue in a manner that operates to the detrament of the unborn.
46 posted on 11/13/2023 11:00:20 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: griswold3
So the next time there’s a school shooting, you’ll understand why.

Not sure how these are linked.

47 posted on 11/13/2023 11:03:19 AM PST by Newbomb Turk (zkij)
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To: SeekAndFind

I question whether or not the success of the pro-abortionists in this was through legitimate voting or through the voter fraud, the art of which the left has perfected.


48 posted on 11/13/2023 11:23:42 AM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Lincoln’s own example is instructive. He regarded slavery as “a vast moral evil.” “Slavery is wrong,” he said, and “one cannot say that people have a right to do wrong” — yet he did not try to ban it in the South. He instead fought unflinchingly against its extension into the western territories and states. He fought the battle that could be won, not the one he was sure to lose.

I love it when people try to explain Lincoln's actions on slavery in moral terms. They clearly do not know that Lincoln and his Republicans voted for a permanent slavery amendment to be added to the US Constitution.

This amendment would have allowed states to chose slavery if they wanted it, and it would therefore have allowed it to be expanded beyond just the existing Southern states.

Most people don't know that Lincoln supported a pro-slavery amendment to the US Constitution, because they have been taught all their lives that the civil war was about slavery.

Well it wasn't. It was about money, and the "Corwin Amendment" pretty much proves it.

49 posted on 11/13/2023 11:24:53 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

50 posted on 11/13/2023 11:50:27 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (The only good commie is one that's dead - Country Joe McDonald)
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To: SeekAndFind

I will not abandon reason for madness. Truth and morals are not subject to polls and elections. They remain the same regardless of who is in power.


51 posted on 11/13/2023 11:56:07 AM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: bobbo666

If the mothers life is in danger I can see where it is necessary and that is going to be rare but it does happen. I had a co-worker with tubal pregnancy and she had to abort a baby or she was going to die and the baby as well. She was devastated over the abortion and it took her a while to recover emotionally.

I have compromised with the liberals of the Republican party on many issues-we are heading into slavery with the Republican party, they are worthless. However, there are two that are non-negotiable, abortion and gun control. I have voted Republican for the last 40+ years, but if the GOP moves left on abortion it will do so without me. I will not pedal flesh for politics, regardless of whose lives they are.


52 posted on 11/13/2023 11:56:26 AM PST by sarge83
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To: sarge83
If the mothers life is in danger I can see where it is necessary and that is going to be rare but it does happen. I had a co-worker with tubal pregnancy and she had to abort a baby or she was going to die and the baby as well. She was devastated over the abortion and it took her a while to recover emotionally.

An ectopic pregnancy has never been considered an abortion as far as I know. It's generally a medical emergency often discovered when the Fallopian tube ruptures, always killing the baby and probably the mother.

53 posted on 11/13/2023 12:07:26 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: stanne

If enough black and minority women sue the abortion movement,thinking they will make millions, it might be a different conversation regarding abortion.....


54 posted on 11/13/2023 12:07:37 PM PST by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just show the blood and gore pictures. It’s murder.


55 posted on 11/13/2023 12:07:57 PM PST by FES0844
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To: sarge83
If the mothers life is in danger I can see where it is necessary and that is going to be rare but it does happen.

Consider Deut. 22:6-7.

56 posted on 11/13/2023 12:32:19 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Kill the baby” has been the Democrat party Prime Directive since about 1970. Why expect any change?


57 posted on 11/13/2023 12:35:34 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hey, quit insulting dung beetles!


58 posted on 11/13/2023 1:39:05 PM PST by FroggyTheGremlim (Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

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59 posted on 11/13/2023 2:27:55 PM PST by griswold3 (I cannot change the Tide but I can learn to Sail)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are two main lessons to be learned from Ohio — and from other states where abortion advocates have scored recent victories. The first is that, as Abraham Lincoln understood, “public sentiment is everything” in a republic. One must win the argument before one can change the laws (or before one can keep them from changing in the wrong direction). And one cannot win the argument without being willing to make the argument.
The second is that a majority of Americans want limits on abortion, but they don’t want to eliminate it. They don’t want abortion on demand, but even less do they want an outright ban. After a half-century of legalized abortion imposed by activist judges, pro-lifers need to cultivate voters’ trust by emphasizing the need to limit rather than eliminate abortion, while emphasizing that pro-abortion advocates support abortion up until birth.

There are two main lessons to be learned from Gaza — and from other locations where Jewish abolition advocates have scored victories. The first is that, as Abraham Lincoln understood, “public sentiment is everything” in a republic. One must win the argument before one can change the laws (or before one can keep them from changing in the wrong direction). And one cannot win the argument without being willing to make the argument.

The second is that a majority of American media and universities want limits on killing Jews, but they don’t want to eliminate it. They don’t want abolition of Jews on demand, but even less do they want an outright ban.

Related:

As the fetus grows to the point that it is too large to simply suck out of the womb, the most common method of terminating the child’s life is called dilation and evacuation. After the mother is put under anesthesia, abortion providers go in with “suction and gynecological instruments” to empty the uterus. Or at least that’s how it’s described by most clinics. The truth is that those “gynecological instruments” are used to dismember the fetus in the womb, typically while the child is still alive, and then pull him or her out piece by piece....Roughly 95 percent of second- and third-trimester abortions—which account for approximately 11 percent of all abortions—utilize this method. ... Does a fetus feel pain? Initially, this approach was justified by arguing that a fetus cannot feel pain until after twenty-four to twenty-five weeks of development,

HAMAS believes that Jews cannot feel pain as they are being fragmented, blown up using genocidal instruments, with death being instantaneous, and agrees to only kill those who cannot feel pain.

Arguing for pro-choice abolition rights over Jews, they also assert that as owners of their land they have a right to unburden themselves from unwanted flesh. Planned Purgationhood, the HAMAS branch of the US Planned [de]Parenthood, welcomed the news as being largely consistent with their own pro-choice position.


https://wisconsinrighttolife.org/pictures-of-aborted-babies-view#1642394275094-9e5f5d87-37c0/b>

60 posted on 11/13/2023 5:00:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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