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SPECIAL REPORT: RUSSIAN STRIKES MORE EFFECTIVE AS UKRAINE EXHAUSTS DEFENSES
Institute for the Study of War ^ | 4/12/24 | Riley Bailey and Frederick W. Kagan

Posted on 04/12/2024 7:26:38 PM PDT by hardspunned

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To: Petrosius

Realistically, I do not believe Russia will give up their captured territory.

Ukraine won’t have many options - unless NATO uses the false flag strategy to justify nato troops.


41 posted on 04/12/2024 9:17:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: hardspunned

Exhausts?

They ran out three times already.

ruble is still moving lower with the obliteration of the rial in the past two days.

I am impressed at the incredible contra-indicator ability.

PS I’m not recalling an answer-are the Teamsters still in bed with the commies? Should union pension funds be plowed into rubles to help the cause?


42 posted on 04/12/2024 9:29:47 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Reverend Wright

Wherever they are the day MAGA oil hits is the winner.

It will be exactly what he was after all along.

He won’t be heard from again beyond crying for production cuts until the next Dem takes over and spikes energy prices paying for the next invasion.

Just a heads up that invasion will be under the guise of NATO infringement or something similar that is def at the foot of the US.


43 posted on 04/12/2024 9:34:23 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Petrosius
Have you ever stopped to ask why all those eastern European nations wanted to join NATO in the first place?

So they could get us to fund their defense?


44 posted on 04/12/2024 9:46:01 PM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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To: BobL

It’s been going on 2 1/2yrs-

This was supposed to be over in 4-6 weeks or so the def not arrogant idiots were proclaiming at the outset.

They simply know everything. They were wrong as usual.

If the take away is Russia’s might was underrated it may be time to consider another take out joint.


45 posted on 04/12/2024 9:50:21 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: EEGator
They want war in Ukraine, Iran, and Taiwan.

Nations invite war by being weak. We've known that for millennia.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

What we Neocons want is to prevent further wars by slapping down aggression as soon as it starts. In another context it's called the "broken windows" policy.

46 posted on 04/12/2024 9:51:21 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan; All

” What we Neocons want is to prevent further wars by slapping down aggression as soon as it starts. In another context it’s called the “broken windows” policy. “


Ok. Start with the Suez Canal, the Red Sea and the Houthis.

Once you can deal with that lot, then maybe consider a simultaneous three front war against Russia, Iran and China.


47 posted on 04/12/2024 10:02:58 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Az Joe

We already fund their defense.

We defend the once free world globally.

Northern and Western Europe completely decimated military spending for the sake of social welfare decades ago. They can’t defend themselves against a large flock of birds.

Maybe it is so it is a formal arrangement but we’re already on the hook for their defense.


48 posted on 04/12/2024 10:59:51 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Az Joe

PS I completely agree with Trump on NATO.

He should threaten to pull out until they cough up their fair share.

NATO has prevented war for 80yrs in what was once one of the most violent places on earth. Some of these city’s residents are seeing 80yo without war for the first time in ages and ages.

It is a load of crap that they take advantage of us and it is not just militarily.

These nationalized healthcare systems don’t contribute jack to medical advancement. Meanwhile it is 5% of our healthcare bills and they buy the drugs and equipment from us cheaper than we sell it to ourselves. It is atrocious and yet again them taking gross advantage of us.


49 posted on 04/12/2024 11:14:29 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: hardspunned

Hopefully the Leader of the Free World, Macron, will come to Ukraines assistance.


50 posted on 04/13/2024 6:35:07 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Yes, we must fight wars to prevent wars, says the geriatric couch potato.


51 posted on 04/13/2024 7:06:02 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: hardspunned

What I can’t understand is how Russia has failed to identify and target the logistics supply chain of those materiel shipments to uke land.

Very odd.


52 posted on 04/13/2024 7:22:58 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Petrosius
BoogeyWomen, how noninclusive you are !

Nuland’s dream of pillaging Russia is in tatters. She is retired, fat dumb and happy.

Hillary is just fat and unhappy.

53 posted on 04/13/2024 7:30:22 AM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: hardspunned

Yep, another tack by the Institute for the Study of Love of War!


54 posted on 04/13/2024 7:54:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: EEGator
Yes, we must fight wars to prevent wars....

Yes, sometimes you fight little wars to prevent bigger ones from happening later, says this geriatric historian. Usually because you didn't maintain an adequate deterrence posture. Nothing original with me - the Romans learned it from the Greeks 2500 years ago.

Once again: Si vis pacem, para bellum

55 posted on 04/13/2024 8:14:45 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Points to Rome for historical lesson.
Negates barbarians at the gates.

How is selling our weapons that we aren’t replacing preparing for war?
Geriatric, linear thinking simpleton.


56 posted on 04/13/2024 9:39:11 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Reverend Wright

No one was contemplating invading Russia. To think otherwise is to be delusional. Nor is this about Russia’s need to defend itself. Putin wants to restore the extent of the old Russian empire. That’s all this has been about. So what if the Ukrainians don’t want to be ruled by Russia. Russia is going to get what Russia wants, or so we have been told by its supporters. Unfortunately for Russia, the Ukrainians get a vote in this. And do not think that even if Russia wins on the battlefield that this will be over. It will not be the CIA that creates a resistance movement; it will be the Ukrainians themselves.


57 posted on 04/13/2024 11:03:50 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Why would disenfranchised voters in East and South Ukraine ever want to go back to Kiev?

The only ones that have disenfranchised the voters in Donbas and Crimea are the Russians who prevented them from participating in the last who elections.

58 posted on 04/13/2024 11:05:41 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Reverend Wright
they secede within days of the 2014 coup.

No, Russia used military surrogates to occupy the territory.

And Ukraine could not retake them in 8 years of attacks (unlike, Odessa, Mariupol etc) because Ukraine has so little popular support on the ground.

Ukraine could not retake the territories because of Russian military intervention.

If the USSR was divisible, then Ukraine was and is divisible. All it took was enough people to support it.

The Soviet Union divided because its constituent republics decided to leave. It was not forced from the outside. The local population within Ukraine are not the ones who are dividing it, it is the Russian army.

59 posted on 04/13/2024 11:10:32 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Karl Spooner
That is an interesting date that you decided to start the map with: 1758. It conveniently excludes the 300 years that Ukraine was ruled by Poland. So no, Ukraine was not always Russian territory historically.

But in the end this is history. Today, and for more than a hundred years, Ukrainians have identified themselves separate from the Russians. The Russians do not have a right to rule them because they were formally a part of their empire. So were Poland, the Baltic states, and Finland. Russia was once part of the Mongol empire. Does this give the Mongols the right to reclaim Moscow? The world if full of former empires. The wars would never end if they all tried to reestablish themselves. And no, the use of the Russian language in public was not outlawed. All the law stated was that Ukrainian must be used by state institutions and that it must be used alongside Russian in the public media. Enough with this slander.

60 posted on 04/13/2024 11:27:57 AM PDT by Petrosius
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