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With Reparations Heating Up. . .
rdb3 | 09-05-2001 | rdb3

Posted on 09/05/2001 11:17:12 AM PDT by rdb3

With the reparations issue beginning to get more and more media attention, I renew my call for Republican congressmen to drag out their white Democrat counterparts and ask them specifically where they stand on the issue of reparations.

Politically speaking, it makes no sense to let the Left float trial balloon after trial ballon before they forcefully try to put reparation measures on the floor for debate. The Right must learn to cut the legs out from under the Left right now concerning this issue.

With the economy slowing down and personal financial belts tightening, Americans, who are already loathe to the issue of reparations, would definitely be against anyone who remotely appears to give reparations serious thought.

This fact should be out right now.

Again, the simple question of Where do you stand on reparations? must be asked of white Democrat congressmen.

If we don't get out ahead of this, it will come back to haunt us all.

Political war is fought with political weapons.


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1 posted on 09/05/2001 11:17:12 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Wanna talk about "trial balloons?" How about introducing a Senate resolution to the effect of "We're never going to pay reparations, no way, no how," with the less controversial of David Horowitz's list of reasons why not. Then take demand a roll call vote. For the Republicans the vote is easy. For Democrats it's a no-win situation.
2 posted on 09/05/2001 11:33:02 AM PDT by N00dleN0gg1n
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To: N00dleN0gg1n

3 posted on 09/05/2001 12:03:38 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: N00dleN0gg1n
I believe you are seeing what I'm talking about.

The Senate would be inappropriate in Democrat control. The House on the other hand. . .

4 posted on 09/05/2001 12:04:43 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Don't hold your breath. When (not if) the Democrats say the debt is $8T, the Republicans will insist it's only $4T.
5 posted on 09/05/2001 12:05:32 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: rdb3
rdb3,

This is a brilliant tactic, and I've been trying to persuade conservative leaders to adopt it ever since seeing your original post.

Democrats can only win national elections now by capturing 75%+ of the black vote. Without it, they are toast. At the same time, they have to stake a claim to a tiny sliver of the white vote and as big a share of the growing hispanic vote as possible. It's a fragile coalition in the best of circumstances.

By forcing them to choose now (before the typical Gramscian dialectic process has "mainstreamed" reparations), we have an opportunity to split that coalition for good and deal a serious blow to the contagion of identity politics.

Most white Democrat politicans simply won't be able to support reparations...yet. It's too fringe, too alientating, and too unAmerican. But by going on the record against reparations, they alienate their black base. On the other hand, if they do come out in support of reparations, they will lose even more ground with whites and hispanics.

This issue could be as explosive and damaging for the Democrats as European integration has been for British Conservatives.

Keep up the pressure!

6 posted on 09/05/2001 12:13:57 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: mledeen
bump.
7 posted on 09/05/2001 12:15:52 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Thank you, cicero. You got it.

This is why I said before that reparations are actually a gift to Republicans. There is no way that we could concoct a means of destroying the Left like this. Dems are putting themselves in the proverbial knight-fork with this issue (for those who don't play chess, a knight-fork is when your knight is safe from attack from your opponent's pieces, yet still has at least two of your opponents pieces in jeopardy: in other words, no matter which move is made, you will take at least one of your opponent's pieces).

No matter what, we should not allow them to sit back and allow this issue to ever become mainstream because if it does, say goodbye U. S. of A.

I hope that they are listening. . .

8 posted on 09/05/2001 12:33:09 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Precisely.

The risk for us is that we do nothing. Are you familiar with the works of the Italian communist Antonio Gramsci? He was chillingly brilliant, the great unrecognized tactician of communism. He proposed a system for mainstreaming radical communist ideas in the West, and his system has been the template for Leftist social engineering ever since.

The process is already underway. If we don't act now to derail this, in 5 years time the debate will no longer be about "whether" reparations but about "how much."

9 posted on 09/05/2001 12:50:32 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Reparations are already a done deal. If they can be derailed I'll be really suprised.
10 posted on 09/05/2001 1:00:35 PM PDT by Iris7
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To: cicero's_son
Yes, I am familiar with Gramsci.

Our problem is that we are beheaded by our own principles. We know we have the best solutions when compared with anything on the Left. The problem is that we don't know how to get that across to the body politic. When proposing political tactics aimed at the Left, most of us say that it will not work, then we end up doing absolutely nothing while the Left is mobilized.

I'm not a political strategist, but I hope that someone in power will listen. Yes, I want to provoke an intra-Left fight because it can't hurt but help us.

11 posted on 09/05/2001 1:01:02 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Iris7
Interesting assessment, Iris.

Got any proof?

12 posted on 09/05/2001 1:01:48 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3, Iris7
The pro-reparations crowd is already trying out a different tack, arguing for reparations for "segregation" and "Jim Crow." The Democrats will push for reparations in the 2004 elections, and the intellectual midgets who currently lead the GOP will be floundering at the press conferences, unable to formulate a principled, intelligent response.
13 posted on 09/05/2001 6:51:41 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: SteamshipTime
Then I take it you agree with me that the Republicans should put the spotlight on this issue by asking white Dems what they think about reparations.

Is my assumption correct?

14 posted on 09/05/2001 8:21:39 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
I would like to see some brave leader introduce a constitutional amendment prohibiting the payment by the federal government of money extorted from one racial group for the benefit of another. In other words, re-endorse meritocracy, and vanquish the socialist pipe dream.
15 posted on 09/05/2001 8:25:29 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: rdb3
we should not allow them to sit back and allow this issue to ever become mainstream

The first step in winning the argument is legitimizing it. That's the phase the campaign is in right now. And whatever WE do, remember that we won't live forever, and that incrememntal gains during our lifetime may become a tidal wave when we start to die off.

Our enemy is infinitely patient. It's the mark of a successful predator.

16 posted on 09/05/2001 8:28:11 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: rdb3
The idea you are talking about is plainly referred to as a "wedge issue". You bring up a great point. This could be a pivital idea for the GOP, IF they use it to their advantage.

The GOP in general has a difficult time getting their message out becuase of the establishment media. Their paralysis of effort is confounding. There are times to wait and there are times to strike. Let us pray the 'Pub leadership can figure it out.

17 posted on 09/05/2001 8:36:47 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: rdb3
Practical considerations. In the short run a reparations bill would result in bloody civil war. In the long run, it would more or less sort things out. Which is worse, now or later? Judging by the totality of events from the manipulated economics of the destruction of the private sector middle class, to situations like klamath to illegal mass invasion scale immigration to political affirmative action run amok to government illegalites and serial scandal mongering, etc, etc, etc, it is more or less inevitable at some point now.

If the retarded goons really are intent on forcing the cha-cha, then let them, get it over with. Let them pass 'reparations", let them bill everyone an extra 50 grand or something. It will tip their hand to even the most unobserving and uncaring at this point. If you wait, this might be what you are waiting for, the current generation in the publik skules now is more or less toast, total indocrination, complete immersion in political correctness, socialism as a birth right, historical revisionism, a complete up is down scenario. Once they hit 'voting" age, then what? Following demographic and culture trends, what's to look forward to politically socially and economically, anyway?

.Ten more years of this increasing insanity funded by ourselves to increase the technological and political command and control over us will be "no more hope" for freedom or honesty, dashed on the twin altars of lying and greed.

And I'm being optimistic, too. These people talk about 'reparations" after a trillion on the war on poverty. That's reality. Uh huh, what's that, penny ante change? The UN/socialist green agenda one worlders and their natural allies the international monopolists with profits at any cost want to eradicate any way to actually work for a living other than "for them". For every unsolved scandal and lost opportunity for justice at high levels, another dozen start to surface. For every dozen that start to surface there are probably a gros more still completely hidden. For every weird destructive political agenda, a new set of bureaucracies and think tanks and college degrees develop. For every level of technological advance, a new generation of police state tools get developed and deployed. Where does it end except in collapse at this point, or capitulation to the inevitable?

There are some basic rules in conflict, one major example of a primary postulate is "do not let the enemy choose the battlefield". I would maintain serious discussion should be undertaken to ascertain if at this point it is worthwhile for the enemies of freedom to gain any more technological or numerical superiority then what they already possess. Step up, look over the wall, it's scary. The huns are not only coming, they are here now. I would also say that unless within a year or two there have been most significant and serious and obvious for the better political changes in the nation, that emergency contingency and containment planning should be at the forefront, rather than a desparation holding or retreating status, which to be honest,looking at the sum total of events, we have been in for roughly 15 to 25 years now, arguably even longer than that.

I think maybe it might be time to let the enemy have a false victory in order to expose them, to open them up. The numbers needed and the outrage needed to reverse trends need to be orders of magnitude higher, and quickly, well beyond "normal politics as we know it". There is no change with apathy, and no cure for apathy when it is instilled as 'education" and enforced as law and ordered society.

Perhaps letting the goon forces overstep their reach so they become unbalanced in their aggressions might be a good tactic. Let them create their own downfall, or 'falling down", from their own actions in a scale they really do not fully understand or appreciate until it's too late for them to do anything about it. Political aikido as it were.

18 posted on 09/05/2001 9:35:43 PM PDT by zog
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To: rdb3
The tax paying voter is now well outnumbered by the tax consuming voter. The Gore and Nader voters have a majority. The gloves can come off a little bit.

The planned result is the Blacks staying on the plantation and the taxpayer getting used to paying up for increasingly arbitrary demands.

19 posted on 09/06/2001 12:39:18 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: rdb3
GOP should go for it! What can they lose, the black vote?
20 posted on 09/06/2001 12:47:57 AM PDT by onyx
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To: IronJack
I share your sentiment, but amending the Constitution is a seriously daunting task.
21 posted on 09/06/2001 2:30:39 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: N00dleN0gg1n
I want reparations for the abuse and psychological damage I suffered during the Klinton Administration!!!! :o
22 posted on 09/06/2001 2:35:08 AM PDT by BossLady
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To: zog
Let them create their own downfall, or 'falling down", from their own actions in a scale they really do not fully understand or appreciate until it's too late for them to do anything about it. Political aikido as it were.

Exactly. And I felt the same way with the Condit issue by asking whether or not it was wise for us to so loudly call for his resignation instead of letting his Dem counterparts twist in the wind about it.

As it stands, they waited until the interview debacle, then found it safe to lash out against him.

We dropped the political ball on this one.

I sure hope that the GOP gets it right on the reparations issue.

23 posted on 09/06/2001 2:37:40 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: VRW Conspirator
Correct assessment. What could be better for the Right than a fight between the thousands of special interests that make up the Democrat Party? We must make one of their constituent groups a millstone about their necks.
24 posted on 09/06/2001 2:41:15 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
The Senate would be inappropriate in Democrat control. The House on the other hand. . .

You're right. Unfortunately, while my Senators (Smith & Gregg) are pretty good, my Rep (Bass) is a bit of a wuss. He probably wouldn't have the stones to introduce such a resolution. Any idea who would?

Would Bob Barr go for this? Ron Paul? Any other ideas? Let's pick some likely candidates and suggest this to them. Send them lots of mail.

25 posted on 09/06/2001 4:20:08 AM PDT by N00dleN0gg1n
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To: rdb3
You've been preaching to the choir all along. The problem is that when the Democrats demand $8T in reparations, the Republicans will cower and scurry, then regroup to say that $8T is an outrage and that the number should be $4T, and not a penny more.
26 posted on 09/06/2001 9:08:02 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: SteamshipTime
Given our history in dealing with Dems, I must agree with you. However, if an approach like this were taken, and taken soon, then reparations would be killed forever.

Will the Republicans do this? I don't know. But I can hope.

27 posted on 09/06/2001 9:10:19 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: N00dleN0gg1n
Your absolutely right - If this issue comes to the forefront it will doom the democrats. Yea Yea Oh Yea... Got to love it.
28 posted on 09/06/2001 9:16:05 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: SteamshipTime
Your wrong wrong and wrong again. The only people who support this are the fringe left and 80% of blacks. Hispanics, Asians, and union blue collars would never support this. This is the biggest winner for Pubs since Lincoln..
29 posted on 09/06/2001 9:20:39 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: zog
I think your analysis is correct.
30 posted on 09/06/2001 3:59:19 PM PDT by Iris7
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