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Caseyjay...longtime freeper is dead
n/a ^ | today | beowolf

Posted on 09/07/2001 5:07:47 AM PDT by beowolf

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I've said enough.
1 posted on 09/07/2001 5:07:48 AM PDT by beowolf
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My condolences. May God grant you solace in your time of grief.
2 posted on 09/07/2001 5:12:54 AM PDT by Zorobabel
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To: beowolf
Condolences...words can never truly express the depth of your loss. My prayers are with you.
3 posted on 09/07/2001 5:13:10 AM PDT by borisbob69
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ditto
4 posted on 09/07/2001 5:14:05 AM PDT by eccentric
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To: beowolf
I am so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to you and to Caseyjay's family. You'll be in my prayers.
5 posted on 09/07/2001 5:14:25 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: beowolf
Sorry to hear that. My prayers go out to you and the families.
6 posted on 09/07/2001 5:15:10 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: beowolf
Prayer bump.
7 posted on 09/07/2001 5:16:05 AM PDT by Steve1789
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To: borisbob69
ditto!
8 posted on 09/07/2001 5:16:35 AM PDT by Chapita
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To: beowolf
Condolences...words can never truly express the depth of your loss. My prayers are with you.

Can't add anything to this, only echo it.

9 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:02 AM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: beowolf
Eternal rest grant unto her O Lord. And peace to her family and friends. Amen
10 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:10 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: beowolf
I am SOOOO SOOO sorry.
11 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:10 AM PDT by Neets
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To: beowolf
May the almighty soothe you in your time of grief. With Casejay at his side, I"m sure he will. I shall pray for the both of you tonite - God bless.
12 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:19 AM PDT by camle
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To: beowolf
I'm so sorry beowolf.
13 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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How tragic. You have my sincerest condolences. May God grant you peace and comfort.
14 posted on 09/07/2001 5:17:25 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: beowolf
My thoughts and prayers go out to Casejay, her family, and you.

May the Lord watch over her, and give all of you strength and compassion in this time of hardship. God Bless, Bulldog905

15 posted on 09/07/2001 5:18:29 AM PDT by bulldog905
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To: beowolf
How truly sad. I will pray for you.
16 posted on 09/07/2001 5:18:46 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: beowolf
My prayers are with you and the rest of her family.

-ksen

17 posted on 09/07/2001 5:18:48 AM PDT by ksen
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To: beowolf
I am so very sorry. :(

Go with God Caseyjay.

18 posted on 09/07/2001 5:18:59 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: beowolf
I'm so sorry,
19 posted on 09/07/2001 5:19:27 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: beowolf
Sincere condolences from this side of the Atlantic. May God see you through this difficult time.

Sincerely, Ivan
20 posted on 09/07/2001 5:20:01 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: beowolf
--prayers for both of you. So sorry to hear this.
21 posted on 09/07/2001 5:20:24 AM PDT by zog
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To: beowolf
Terribly sorry.
22 posted on 09/07/2001 5:21:18 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: beowolf
How awful...my most sincere condolences to you, her family and her friends.
23 posted on 09/07/2001 5:22:16 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: beowolf
There is nothing more tragic than the sudden loss of a loved one. My sincerest condolences to her friends, family and those who knew her.

May the Lord bless her and keep her.
24 posted on 09/07/2001 5:22:31 AM PDT by drgnwrks
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To: beowolf
Good God, man! I am very sorry to hear that!
25 posted on 09/07/2001 5:23:37 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: beowolf
May God grant you the strength, peace and comfort that you need to get through this. My prayers are with you.
26 posted on 09/07/2001 5:23:56 AM PDT by DeSoto
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To: beowolf
My condolences to you. May God keep Caseyjay in His arms.
27 posted on 09/07/2001 5:25:03 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: beowolf
I am very sorry.
28 posted on 09/07/2001 5:25:25 AM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: beowolf
I'm sorry.
29 posted on 09/07/2001 5:26:02 AM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: beowolf
I wish I had some idea of what to post in response to this.

How unbelievably tragic.

I am so sorry.

30 posted on 09/07/2001 5:26:29 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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Prayers for comfort during this sorrowful time.
31 posted on 09/07/2001 5:26:54 AM PDT by OldFriend
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You have my most sincere condolences and to you, her family and her friends. I pray for you all.
32 posted on 09/07/2001 5:28:26 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: beowolf
I am so very sorry for your loss. May God grant eternal rest to Caseyjay.
33 posted on 09/07/2001 5:28:30 AM PDT by kassie
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To: beowolf
I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. My prayers are with you.
34 posted on 09/07/2001 5:28:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Prayers for her, for you, and for all her loved ones. I am so sorry, beowolf.
36 posted on 09/07/2001 5:29:25 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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I'm at a loss for words. :-( My sincerest condolences.
37 posted on 09/07/2001 5:30:43 AM PDT by lysie
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I shall miss her dearly. I loved her.

Oh my.

Please freepmail me when you get a chance. She was a wonderful woman indeed.

38 posted on 09/07/2001 5:31:49 AM PDT by OWK
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I'm sorry. God has a plan even if we do not understand it.
39 posted on 09/07/2001 5:32:19 AM PDT by mistaken1
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My friend, I cannot tell you how sorry I am.
40 posted on 09/07/2001 5:32:34 AM PDT by OWK
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Situational Ethics AND Absolute Principles

Constitution/Conservatism Editorial
Source: self
Published: 1/25/99 Author: Casey Jay
Posted on 06/23/2001 00:48:44 PDT by caseyjay

Before I start this essay, I would like to take a moment to clarify terminology. My use of the term ‘Situational Ethics’ should not be confused with the term ‘Moral Relativism’. ‘Moral Relativism’ in my opinion, involves manipulating and twisting core principles, in order to assuage one’s conscience. While ‘Situational Ethics’ implies (in my mind anyway) the ability to apply core principles to a variety of situations. And I sense that there is a real difference between these two terms that is sometimes overlooked when the issue of morality, and the government’s role in this area, is discussed.

Also please note: the operative word in my title above is ‘AND’.

I have been concerned for some time now regarding the tendency in our country to enact absolute laws governing specific situations. Note, I am not an expert on this subject since I am far too lazy to become one, but I think that it might be helpful to step back and examine again this whole issue of legislating morality. To start off this discussion, I offer a quote from Thomas Jefferson’s first Inaugural Address:

”I shall often go wrong through defect of judgment. When right, I shall often be thought wrong by those whose positions will not command a view of the whole ground. I ask your indulgence for my own errors, which will never be intentional, and your support against the errors of others, who may condemn what they would not if seen in all its parts.

I interpret this to mean that we can not assign an absolute value of right or wrong to every possible action a person may take. In other words, what might be viewed as a wrong action to you, might be viewed as right for me, due to any number of (situational) reasons. And that if your are not privy to all of those reasons, your assessment of right or wrong regarding my actions would therefore be incomplete, and potentially subject to error.

Now that does not mean that we should not attempt to formulate judgments, but rather that you need to remain open to the possibility that your judgments may not encompass the ‘full picture’. And that our judgments need to be continually re-evaluated as we learn more of the situation(s) involved.

Therefore, it appears that while we may disagree on specific actions being right or wrong, we can still agree that there are core, absolute principles that apple in a country based upon freedom. These are our Inalienable Rights – The Liberty to make choices in our pursuit of life. Even though how one chooses to act in any particular situation will depend upon ‘the shoes you have walked in…’, and on how well you have learned your lessons in life.

In today’s political climate, I have noticed that many discussions on morality between traditional parties (Democrats and Republicans) and newer parties (Reform and Libertarian) seem to boil down to a debate on Majority Rule versus Self Rule. But since I personally find that political labels can be misleading, I will call these different points of view Position A and Position B – Majority Rule and Self Rule – in this essay.

Position A people usually want government to regulate choices in some manner – most often done under the guise of ‘protecting’ people. And, in my opinion, these regulations are sometimes valid, but most often, not. Quite a few people from both of the traditional parties fit into this first camp; although they attempt to regulate different areas of our lives. The Position B folks on the other hand tend to take the approach of not wanting government to regulate any choices that do not harm others.

And I have found that Position A people, while acknowledging the Constitution and it’s basic principles for a free nation, also appear to think that a majority vote can override these basic principles. In other words, specific actions can be denoted (absolutely), along with the threat of force and punishment, as being right or wrong, as long as they can get enough people to agree with them.

The danger I sense in Position A is that there is no safeguard to prevent minority opinions (with regards to judging certain actions as right or wrong) from persecution and prosecution. And somehow, I just don’t buy the idea that it is impossible for a lot of people (i.e. the majority) to be wrong. I expressed this concept once as follows:

“Positions A’s basic premise: Any action can be considered wrong (by the majority) unless it is proven (by the minority) that the action does not deny another their Inalienable Rights.

Position B’s basic premise: No action can be considered wrong (by the majority OR the minority) unless it is proven (by either group) that the action does deny another their rights.”

As I pointed out at the time, it appears that the premise of Position A requires one (i.e. the minority) to prove a negative in order to avoid persecution/prosecution from the majority decision. And I don’t believe that this position is what Jefferson was advocating for our nation. As I read his words, it appears that he believed a legitimate government is one that protects our right to make errors, as long as those errors do not deny another that which is theirs; i.e. their Inalienable Rights.

The point I wish to make here is that from Jefferson’s perspective, we all will make errors, and how we each judge the rightness or wrongness of those actions, and the severity of that judgment, will depend on our situation in life. But regardless or our individual judgments, the actions should be free to occur as long as they do not interfere with another’s right to choose otherwise.

To those of you who have not read many of my words before, I want to assure you that I am fully behind the concept of letting good ideas win and bad ones lose in the free marketplace of ideas. But it seems to me that the majority rule concept is quite vulnerable to dirty tricks and manipulation in the political arena; especially if the person currying votes has goodies to hand out. And sadly our current administration [circa the Clinton years] has provided ample evidence to attest to that – including enacting laws and penalties that are at odds with our basic principles and the Constitution. This is why I believe that all laws, regulations, and court decisions should be confined by, and validated against, these core (absolute) principles (i.e. Inalienable Rights and equality under the Law) in order to be legitimate.

Times change and so do our views on vices. And as I understand from Jefferson and many others, the best way to overcome potentially harmful vices is to let people learn the true consequences of engaging in them, instead of using the power of the current majority to outlaw them. (But please note, this learning only seems to occur if no one artificially masks the outcome of one's actions.)

Many things atrophy from not being used. Might not our ability to make judgments, and to determine right and wrong, also begin to atrophy when it is unused when the government, empowered by the majority, is increasingly pre-judging our situational choices for us?

From here.
41 posted on 09/07/2001 5:33:22 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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I am saddened to hear of your (and our) loss.
42 posted on 09/07/2001 5:34:46 AM PDT by fod
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My, what a loss you have suffered friend, as have we here at FreeRepublic. Hugh Akston was kind to posted her essay and we celebrate having known her. We are one in Spirit, and offer our prayers. V's wife.
43 posted on 09/07/2001 5:36:48 AM PDT by ventana
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I wish you healing for your heart and soul...
44 posted on 09/07/2001 5:37:52 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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So sorry to hear of your loss FRiend.

You obviously have many friends here and you are no doubt in their prayers and in their thoughts.

May God grant you peace beowolf

45 posted on 09/07/2001 5:38:27 AM PDT by mitch5501 (Jesus is Lord)
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Thank you for turning to us to share your grief today. I feel honored when I am asked to comfort friends when tragedy is forced onto their lives.
46 posted on 09/07/2001 5:39:02 AM PDT by nimc
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I am very sorry ............my prayers are for strength and comfort for you and her family.
47 posted on 09/07/2001 5:39:43 AM PDT by Irma
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HE has taken her into the Eternal Life where one day you will meet her once again, free of this earthly strife, safe and secure in his boundless love. Keep that faith, for both of you. May God bless...
48 posted on 09/07/2001 5:40:12 AM PDT by cynicom
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Room after room,
I hunt the house through
We inhabit together.
Heart, fear nothing, for, heart, thou shalt find her--
Next time, herself!--not the trouble behind her
Left in the curtain, the couch's perfume!
As she brushed it, the cornice-wreath blossomed anew:
Yon looking-glass gleamed at the wave of her feather.

Yet the day wears,
And door succeeds door;
I try the fresh fortune--
Range the wide house from the wing to the centre.
Still the same chance! she goes out as I enter.
Spend my whole day in the quest,--who cares?
But 'tis twilight, you see,--with such suites to explore,
Such closets to search, such alcoves to importune!

-Robert Browning-

49 posted on 09/07/2001 5:41:02 AM PDT by mole
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Oh my God how tragic. So sorry to hear about your loss, beo. My condolences.
50 posted on 09/07/2001 5:42:10 AM PDT by Sandy
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