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"What Do I Tell The Pilot To Do?" Conservative Barbara Olson in Her Final Moments On The Cell phone
Posted on 09/11/2001 9:53:44 PM PDT by newsperson999
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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
"What Do I Tell The Pilot To Do?" Conservative Barbara Olson in Her Final Moments On The Cell phone To Her Husband, Solicitor General Theodore Olson... Just Before Crashing Into The Pentagon
I once had a brief email interchange with Dear Barbara. What a wonderful person. My heart goes out to Ted and her family.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:00:22 PM PDT
Just when I think I'm out of tears.......
How very sad. If the hijackers only had knives and cardboard cutters, it's too bad the passengers didn't overpower them. Even if you got a few stabs wounds, it'd be better than what happened.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:04:18 PM PDT
Speculation like yours begs the question, "What if they had the knives to the throats of a couple of 12 year old girls...?"
posted on 09/11/2001 10:07:05 PM PDT
one of the newsreports that i heard stated numerous passengers were stabbed and killed.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:08:43 PM PDT
I'm sure if they'd known what was up, many of them would have. But this is so unprecedented, they must have hoped it was something far less ominous... a couple of losers hoping to get amnesty in the States or a free flight to Canada perhaps.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:10:47 PM PDT
Aircraft are long overdue on internal video cameras; one fore; one aft; so that the flight deck can see "what's going on back there," and so such a scene, if necessary can be beamed down to the ground.
Also, long overdue, the corridors of airports should have long ago included video cameras, especially of each passenger approved for boarding.
All that said, the little matter of these aircraft (today) being well out of position, should have immediately been raised to the "Scramble Fighters" status and our A.N.G. and / or AFR interceptors going up to at least take a look.
And lastly, I'd like to hear the President state that we will not be asking anybody's permission to get the bad guys --- and especially the bad guys' bankers: the socialists who founded and built the "Nation of Terrorism." What about some "special interest" in the backers, the socialist individuals, "movements," states, and so-called non-states?
Time to develop new beach front property.
1) I don't think you've ever faced someone who is trained at using a knife; 2) I doubt people knew their options were resistance or death. They probably figured their options were death or cooperate and have a long flight to Libya, and then be released after Israel lets some terrorist prisoners out of jail, or something like that... That's the usual hijack scenario...
posted on 09/11/2001 10:12:49 PM PDT
I think that most people would have no idea what the terrorists planned to do. But you can rest assured that after today, any terrorist with a box cutter will be hijacking at the extreme risk of being ripped to shreds by a bunch of scared and angry passengers.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:13:07 PM PDT
Maybe aircraft is long overdue for an armed guard per flight, or at least armed pilots and co-pilots. They can carry a special load that stops inside the body.
I just think they had to have something more than knives which is what's being reported because 5-6 men could pull someone down if they only had a knife. Someone told me someplace else they probably told the passengers there was a bomb that would go off if they resisted.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:21:13 PM PDT
What if they miss the body and depressurize the cabin? I guess that's the risk...
posted on 09/11/2001 10:22:27 PM PDT
We'll probably never know, but I think there had to be more than the small knives that would make it through metal detectors. At least a threat of something more----but it's interesting Barbara Olson was in a position to tell the pilot what they might do.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:24:57 PM PDT
A freeper asked Barbara to sign a copy of her book for me. She wrote a very sweet paragraph mentioning FR and how much she appreciated comments I and others made about her. Easiest way to tell a person's character is how they treat people who can't do anything for them. A simple autograph would have been fine. But Barbara wanted to make someone she never met and would never meet feel good and a little special. And she did.
The pilot was probably in the back of the plane with her by then.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:29:53 PM PDT
It's just so tragic something could not have been done. The pilot must not have been killed right away, and the passengers must have been able to discuss at least in whispers, it's too bad they couldn't have all overtaken the terrorists, but things were probably happening very fast.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:33:08 PM PDT
David Schippers did much the same for the Chicago-area FReepers who went to his office to take him the award earlier this year. Very kind, humble man who was grateful to be appreciated.
The pilot must not have been killed right away, and the passengers must have been able to discuss at least in whispers, it's too bad they couldn't have all overtaken the terrorists, but things were probably happening very fast.
Fox reported about an hour ago that AP had a feed that said that the passengers on this flight were herded to the back of the plane and ORDERED to call their relatives to tell them they were about to die. This came from the family of another passenger that called them.
A special load will hit a body and stay in that body, sure it's a risk, I would suggest pilots have both tasers and hand guns with special loads.
The skymarshalls (now discontinued) were given lower-powered rounds to prevent this.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:41:35 PM PDT
Very good ideas. Along those lines, I have often thought why can't the flight deck be sealed, no doors, flight attendant, kitchen, bathroom, etc would all be contained in the flight deck. The pilots board from an outside door, then should there be any terrorist activity in the passengers area's, the pilot would simple press a buttom, release gas, put everyone asleep, land the plane.
Also, would it be practical to have those that work in buildings as tall as the WTC, be equiped with some kind of parachute. After seeing those people falling today, this idea hit me, at least it would be a "Chance" to live.
She didn't even have to respond to me, but she did in an almost personal way. She mentioned how happy she was to be a part of the Free Republic family. I'm crying again. It's so sad. I'm so mad.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:44:31 PM PDT
. But you can rest assured that after today, any terrorist with a box cutter will be hijacking at the extreme risk of being ripped to shreds by a bunch of scared and angry passengers.
My thoughts exactly. Once they'd moved the flight crews to the back of the planes, you gotta ask WHY they'd need their own pilot...
Regardless, I think passengers will be a lot less compliant with hijackers in the future.
posted on 09/11/2001 10:49:15 PM PDT
Just what I was thinking.
posted on 09/11/2001 11:32:24 PM PDT
What if they miss the body and depressurize the cabin? I guess that's the risk...
If it pierces the skin, the pilot can just open up an airflow regulator in the front of the plane to compensate (airplanes are hardly leakproof). If it breaks a window, the pilot opens the regulator even wider or, if worst comes to worst, pops the oxygen masks.
The ending of the movie Goldfinger is total Hollywood.
posted on 09/12/2001 12:35:33 AM PDT
Because of our national firearm phobia, not one innocent person on those planes was allowed to keep and bear arms - thanks to government regulations. Had the flight attendants and crew been required to carry a sidearm, and trained in its proper use, might the events of the past 24 hours been different? We'll never know. </font size>
But what will the result be?
I'm willing to bet more restrictions on freedom. More disarming of law-abiding citizens. For "safety."
posted on 09/12/2001 12:38:45 AM PDT
How sad. I guess it all happened so quickly once they were taken over, they probably had only a few minutes.
posted on 09/12/2001 6:12:02 AM PDT
I was told yesterday that Glasser rounds were specifically developed for use inside pressurized aircraft.
She might have asked "what do I tell the pilot" on her second call, after her husband had alerted the Justice Dept. and gotten info from them.
"...knives at throat of 12 year old girls?"
The goal should still be to overpower them, even if it means a lose of innocent lives. The passengers died anyway. The "12 girl old girls" died anyway. The issue here is maintining the sovereignty of the USA and returning the rule of law to the citizens of this country.
Once they have been over powered, make sure they never make it to trial alive. I read about a bus hijacking in NC a few years ago. The passengers over power the hijacker. When the police opened the door to the bus, the piece of scum hijacker's body fell out on to the pavement. Everyone on the bus said they didn't know who did in the hijacker. The police pressed no charges against anyone. And that's the way it should be. We get so caught up in the perp's rights, we give away the store, so to speak.
Aircraft are long overdue on internal video cameras...
Yes. I have been harping on this for years over on AVSIG on Compuserve. The pilots unions seem to be against it.
BTW, my computer died last weekend while I was gone. Hard Drive. I am typing this from the local library.
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