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George Orwell's Conversation with a Pacifist
The Political Writings of George Orwell ^ | 1940s | George Orwell

Posted on 09/12/2001 10:04:12 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle

Conversation with a Pacifist

On the night in 1940 when the big ack-ack barrage was fired over London for the first time, I was in Picadilly Circus when the guns opened up, and I fled into the Cafe Royal to take cover. Among the crowd inside a good-looking, well-made youth of about twenty-five was making somewhat of a nuisance of himself with a copy of Peace News, which he was forcing upon the attention of everyone at the neighbouring tables. I got into conversation with him, and the conversation went something like this:

The youth: "I tell you, it'll all be over by Christmas. There's obviously going to be a compromise peace. I'm pinning my faith to Sir Samuel Hoare. It's degrading company to be in, I admit, but still Hoare is on our side. So long as Hoare's in Madrid, there's always hope of a sell-out."

Orwell: "What about all those preparations that they're making against invasion -- the pill boxes that they're building everywhere, the Local Defense Volunteers and so forth?"

The youth: "Oh, that merely means they're getting ready to crush the working class when the Germans get here. I suppose some of them might be fools enough to try to resist, but Churchill and the Germans between them won't take long to settle them. Don't worry, it'll soon be over."

Orwell: "Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis?"

The youth: "Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me."

Orwell: "And shoot people like me?"

The youth: "That would be just too bad."

Orwell: "But why are you so anxious to remain alive?"

The youth: "So that I can get on with my work, of course."

It had come out in the conversation that the youth was a painter -- whether good or bad I do not know; but at any rate, sincerely interested in painting and quite ready to face poverty in pursuit of it. As a painter, he would probably have been somewhat better off under a German occupation than a writer or journalist would be. But still, what he said contained a very dangerous fallacy, now very widespread in the countries where totalitarianism has not actually established itself.

The fallacy is to believe that under a dictatorial government you can be free inside. Quite a number of people console themselves with this thought, now that totalitarianism in one form or another is visibly on the up-grade in every part of the world. Out in the street the loudspeakers bellow, the flags flutter from the rooftops, the police with their tommy-guns prowl to and fro, the face of the Leader, four feet wide, glares from every hoarding; but up in the attics the secret enemies of the regime can record their thoughts in perfect freedom -- that is the idea, more or less. And many people are under the impression that this is going on now in Germany and other dictatorial countries.

Why is this idea false? I pass over the fact that modern dictatorships don't, in fact, leave the loopholes that the old-fashioned despotisms did; and also the probable weakening of the desire for intellectual liberty owing to totalitarian methods of education. The greatest mistake is to imagine that the human being is an autonomous individual. The secret freedom which you can supposedly enjoy under a despotic government is nonsense, because your thoughts are never entirely your own. Philosophers, writers, artists, even scientists, not only need encouragement and an audience, they need constant stimulation from other people. It is almost impossible to think without talking. If Defoe had really lived on a desert island, he could not have written Robinson Crusoe, nor would he have wanted to. Take away freedom of speech, and the creative faculties dry up. Had the Germans really got to England my acquaintance of the Cafe Royal would soon have found his painting deteriorating, even if the Gestapo had let him alone. And when the lid is taken off Europe, I believe one of the things that will surprise us will be to find how little worthwhile writing of any kind -- even such things as diaries, for instance -- has been produced in secret under the dictators.


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When I heard about the 100 idiots on the streets of Seattle last night, I immediately thought of this article.
1 posted on 09/12/2001 10:04:13 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Lived in Seattle for 5 years.Sacrifice to these idiots is waiting 10 minutes in line for a latte'!!
2 posted on 09/12/2001 10:13:56 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: jwfiv
Orwellian bump
3 posted on 09/12/2001 10:20:54 AM PDT by Serb5150
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Orwell: "What about all those preparations that they're making against invasion -- the pill boxes that they're building everywhere, the Local Defense Volunteers and so forth?"

The youth: "Oh, that merely means they're getting ready to crush the working class when the Germans get here...."

Sounds like a whole lotta FReepers I know.

4 posted on 09/12/2001 10:32:45 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Serb5150
Orwellian goose bumps...that stupid guy reminds me of me, long ago...the best card in Evil's deck is the naivete of fools who place their hope in probable good intentions.
5 posted on 09/12/2001 11:22:31 AM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Thought maybe this was the selection where Orwell presented one of my favorites: "That you and I are able to sleep safely in our beds at night owes to the fact the rough men stand ready to do harm to those who would attack us"...or was it Huxley?...
6 posted on 09/12/2001 6:37:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
There's a wonderful line from (I think) Reinhold Niebuhr: "In a world where sin is a condition of existence, a pacifist is a parasite who lives on the sins of others."
7 posted on 09/12/2001 6:46:51 PM PDT by Grut
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I pass over the fact that modern dictatorships don't, in fact, leave the loopholes that the old-fashioned despotisms did; and also the probable weakening of the desire for intellectual liberty owing to totalitarian methods of education.

Orwell pegged it. Especially about edukashun in publik skools.

8 posted on 09/12/2001 8:48:33 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Intolerant in NJ
A humanitarian is always a hypocrite, and Kipling's understanding of this is perhaps the central secret of his power to create telling phrases. It would be difficult to hit off the one-eyed pacifism of the English in fewer words than in the phrase, "making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep." ... He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilised while other men, inevitably less civilised, are there to guard and feed them.

-- Orwell, Rudyard Kipling.

9 posted on 09/12/2001 8:57:23 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Illbay
up yours, illbay! did you dance with the PLO?
10 posted on 09/12/2001 9:05:34 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: dighton
Thanks for the quote.

Timely.

11 posted on 09/29/2001 4:49:03 PM PDT by Countyline
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