Skip to comments.Far from being the terrorists of the world, the Islamic peoples have been its victims : John Pilger
Posted on 09/13/2001 7:38:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf
If the attacks on America have their source in the Islamic world, who can be surprised? Two days earlier, eight people were killed in southern Iraq when British and American planes bombed civilian areas. Not a word appeared in the mainstream media. An estimated 200,000 Iraqis, according to the Health Education Trust, died during and in the immediate aftermath of the slaughter known as the Gulf war. This was never news that touched public consciousness in the west. At least a million civilians, half of them children, have since died in Iraq as a result of a medieval embargo imposed by the United States and Britain. In Pakistan and Afghanistan, the mujahedin, which gave birth to the fanatical Taliban, was largely the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency; the terrorist training camps where Osama Bin Laden, "America's most wanted man", allegedly planned his attacks, were built with American money and backing. In Palestine, the enduring illegal occupation by Israel would have collapsed long ago were it not for American backing.
Far from being the terrorists of the world, the Islamic peoples have been its victims - that is, the victims of American fundamentalism, whose power, in all its forms, military, strategic and economic, is the greatest source of terrorism on earth. This fact is largely censored from the western media. That Tony Blair, whose government sells lethal weapons to Israel and has sprayed Iraq and Yugoslavia with cluster bombs and depleted uranium and was the greatest arms supplier to the genocidists in Indonesia, can be taken seriously when he now speaks about the "shame" of the "new evil of mass terrorism" says much about the censorship of our collective sense of how the world is managed. One of Blair's favourite words - fatuous - comes to mind. Alas, it is no comfort to the families of the thousands of ordinary Americans who have died so terribly that the perpetrators of their suffering may be the product of western policies.
I was writing about Palestine and censorship when the attacks in America took place. A friend, a distinguished American photojournalist, told me how he had stood up at a debate on media censorship in New York the other day and asked why Israel's oppression of an Arab nation, a construct of American power, was not recognised in American political life and the media. He was called an anti-Semite. It is not quite as bad in this country. The censorship is more subtle: the collaborative silence of the Jewish establishment, together with the BBC's promotion of moral equivalence between oppressor and oppressed while adhering essentially to Israel's and CNN's news agenda. The Times, says its former Middle East correspondent Sam Kiley, routinely censored his reports in Israel's favour.
It is left to a courageous few to tell the truth. Among them are two Israeli dissidents: the poet and novelist Yitzhak Laor and the journalist Amira Hass. With the recent death of the indomitable peace campaigner Israel Shahak, they represent an endangered species in their own country. In the current issue of New Left Review, Laor exposes the liberal Zionists "whose voices are heard over and over again". The notion that there is real difference between the Israeli Labour Party and Likud has been their constant refrain and central to coverage of Israel in Europe and America, often presented in the foreign media as "the contrast between peace and war".
There was no choice between Ehud Barak and Ariel Sharon. Barak's peace proposal, as Laor points out, was "the lying sales-talk of all those who marketed a shopping list for the Palestinians that offered them '90 per cent' of the West Bank: that is, 90 per cent of what would be left of it after Israel kept its expansion around Jerusalem, its military roads and bases, its settlements . . . What is unthinkable is to envisage them as citizens of their own country, capable of travelling from place to place within it without countless roadblocks (which Barak's map granted them for ever)."
Barak's "peace" was given a lot of fanfare in Britain. The Guardian published an effusive article by the Israeli novelist Amos Oz, who is often misrepresented as a dissenter. Oz anointed Barak with "Ben-Gurion's courage": a name that every Palestinian has cause to revile. "Barak didn't release one Palestinian prisoner during the 18 months of his premiership," writes Laor. "He didn't dismantle one settlement. On the contrary, during his short career the greatest expansion of the settlements occurred."
Laor quotes the philosopher Menachem Brinker, another "reasonable" voice of the Zionist left. "Israel cannot under any circumstances," wrote Brinker, "accept the Palestinian demand regarding its legal and moral responsibility for the departure of the Palestinian refugees. What the Palestinians are demanding is a matter for historians, not for politicians. . . a question for Benny Morris [the Israeli historian]." Laor describes this as an example of "the racism of Zionist intellectuals". So the refugee camps, he writes despairingly, "are not a political issue. They are material for [Jewish]scholarship . . . There is no Palestinian voice even in examining the 'historical question'."
Amira Hass writes a column in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz. In 1993, she went to live in Gaza. Her subsequent book Drinking the Sea at Gaza (Hamish Hamilton, London) is brilliant, evocative truth-telling that, at last, makes one proud to be a journalist. I urge New Statesman readers to buy this book. Hass describes the everyday suffering of an occupied people with facts she has witnessed and felt: the terrorism and destruction of families, the casual vandalism by the army, the capricious and vicious policies, such as "closure", imprisoning a whole society at a stroke, and the heartache and anger of those who must live within a few smiles of the ruins of their homes, unable even to touch the ground, let alone go home.
How eloquently she describes the big Israeli lie: "Inherited and manipulated fear, the perception of oneself as the perennial victim, and the primordial Jewish dread of the gentile are projected on to the other people who live in the same country. In this light, all Palestinian behaviour is explained in terms of past Jewish experience, and Islamic religious texts and manifestations are interpreted accordingly, as the expression of fanatics only."
As she points out, Hamas, representing the kind of fanaticism that may have caused the carnage in America, did not exist until Israel's outright rejection of a Palestinian state. She devotes a page to a map of Palestinian communities destroyed by the Zionists, given Israeli names and occupants. To study it sends a chill; it could be Poland or Sudetenland 62 years ago. Hass does not spare Yasser Arafat and his acceptance of the fakery of the American-designed Oslo Accords: his failure to stop Jewish settlements, to negotiate the release of Palestinian prisoners and ease the Palestinians' chronic economic reliance on their colonial oppressor, while ensuring freedom of movement and business opportunities for his own elite. "By creating such divisions and dependency, Israel has ensured Palestinian complicity with separation, an extremely sophisticated method of restraint reminiscent of apartheid."
Amira Hass's mother, Hannah, was marched from a cattle train to Bergen-Belsen on a summer's day in 1944. "She saw these German women looking at the prisoners, just looking." Her daughter regards "looking from the side" as despicable. Those Europeans and Americans who have looked at the suffering of the Palestinians "from the side" and have accepted the equality of oppressor and oppressed while allowing the lessons of the Holocaust to serve only the oppressor, should heed her words, now that the daily horror has come home.
Most of this piece of *hit article by this *sshole Pilger is just a rant on Israel.
His remarks about Iraqi civilians show that he chooses to ignore the choices made by the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein. It is he who has chosen to act in the way that brings pain to the Iraqi people. The embargo doesn't have to result in no humanitarian aid; that's his choice.
And the supposed Iraqi civilians killed by bombs? They were more likely killed by falling antiaircraft shells and missiles shot by the Iraqis. Lots of civilians in war zones have been killed in this manner - in Britain, in Germany, etc.
Let's make it clear: not all Islamic people hate America or are terrorists. I don't hate those that aren't our enemy, those that can live in peace with Jews and Israel. They don't deserve anything that might come their way.
But I will not stand for these Blame America/Blame Israel First articles that do not indicate the complicity of Arab/Islamic leaders, and the willing acquiesence of many people of that region. Would Americans be cheering in the streets if half of Bagdhad was leveled and thousands of innocents died? Did we cheer when we hit that Iraqi army bunker filled with civilians? No.
We will cheer when we hit those responsible for this attack and their supporters.
Next time he arrives at LAX, en route to a soft interview at NPR, let's hear the snap of the rubber gloves, and the click-click of the flashlight.....
. . . Barak's peace proposal, as Laor points out, was "the lying sales-talk of all those who marketed a shopping list for the Palestinians that offered them '90 per cent' of the West Bank: that is, 90 per cent of what would be left of it after Israel kept its expansion around Jerusalem, its military roads and bases, its settlements . . .
Oh yes, how un-generous of the Israelis to offer a mere 90% (or 70% or even 40%) to a group whose only announced ambition for the past half century was to push all the Jews into the sea!
It would have been so much better if the Israelis had given Arafat exactly as much as his Arab brethren, the Jordanians and Egyptians gave him during the 19 years that they occupied the West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza ... namely, nothing, not an inch of land. Heck, I wouldn't mind if Israel gave Arafat twice that!
You mean like THIS ?
So their children, and their children's children, should suffer?
That's racist thinking.
There we go. If you don't support the machine-gunning of little Palestinian children on the other side of the world, you're a traitor.
Why don't we go after the handful of big men who did this unspeakable act, and leave the millions of little kids alone?
The Iraqis intentionally locate their radar installations in populated areas.
So be it.
An estimated 200,000 Iraqis, according to the Health Education Trust, died during and in the immediate aftermath of the slaughter known as the Gulf war.
Oddly enough, killing people is what war is about. From our point, the only "bad" thing about this number is there weren't more killed.
At least a million civilians, half of them children, have since died in Iraq as a result of a medieval embargo imposed by the United States and Britain.
Probably a bogus statistic. We'll assume it's true for the sake of argument. So?
The Iraqis know how it is they can get it lifted. If they choose to keep it in place, why should be concerned?
In Pakistan and Afghanistan, the mujahedin, which gave birth to the fanatical Taliban, was largely the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency;
Since it's our responsibility, we should own up to it and put and end to him, then.
the enduring illegal occupation by Israel would have collapsed long a go were it not for American backing.
In the end, "illegal" is determined by the people who win the war and write the books about it.
Far from being the terrorists of the world, the Islamic peoples have been its vi ctims - that is, the victims of American fundamentalism, whose power, in all its forms, military, strategic and economic, is the greatest source of terrorism on earth.
Bartender! I'll take whatever it is that he's drinking!
I'm sorry, if I read any further, I'd hurt myself laughing at this...
I hope this wakes up the Aussies to the war on freedom.
I, for one, had no personal "dog in this fight", at least (not really) until Tuesday when that vicious hate crime was committed against my people - the American people.
But all that has changed. To see Palestinians celebrate using our people and our planes as projectiles to kill more of our people makes my blood boil. If the Israeli defense force should push the whole lot of them into the sea, I wouldn't shed a tear for the b******* now.
Yes ... unto the 50th generation if necessary. Until the time comes when, in the far distant future, they're still cringing if they hear a plane flying overhead or the roar of a diesel engine.
That payback hasn't yet begun.
Ya. Pretty pathetic little piece of propaganda. The problem with a crisis like Tuesdays' is that it brings the best people to the forefront, and the biggest assholes.
And the rest of us have to put up with it.
That's racist thinking.
They can stop suffering anytime they choose by overthrowing the tin pot dictators who rule them through fear and hatred. For 50 years, they have had the option to choose civilization over endless war. The world has given them every opportunity. It appears they have chosen war and what ever sympathy I have for the innocent people' who live in the cesspools caused by their dictators and perverted cultures, it is no match for the urgent need for the civilized world to eradicate those dictators from the face of the earth. Time is up for them, and sorry to say, as it was in Germany and Japan, many innocents will be hurt.
With this act of war, their time has run out.
Ditto. I think a lot of people feel the same way today.
Yes, you are right.
We need to repent first. Step Number 1. Without that we will not prevail.
16 "See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;
17 no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me," declares the LORD.
Yeah, that's right. They all have C4 -- and horns, and forked tongues, and tails, and hooves . . . .
The alternative to the WTC is to stop sending aid to Israel. I can live with that. Why can't you?
[you]: Yes ... unto the 50th generation if necessary. Until the time comes when, in the far distant future, they're still cringing if they hear a plane flying overhead or the roar of a diesel engine.
That payback hasn't yet begun.
Deuteronomy 24:16: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers, everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
I know you're not Jewish, because you would have read the Bible, and you would have known this passage. Now, for all I know, you're circumcised, speak Hebrew, and call yourself Jewish. But you're not Jewish. You'd have to read and obey God's commandments to be Jewish.
As for me, I'm not circumcised, I don't speak Hebrew, and I don't call myself Jewish. But in a sense, I'm a lot more Jewish than many pretenders are, because I truly embrace the ancient roots of Jewish culture.
Think of the Bible less as a real estate deed, and more as a book of ancient wisdom, and you'll understand. And then maybe your hatred won't extend to the fiftieth generation.
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