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A Letter to My Fellow FReepers
self | Thursday, September 13, 2001 | Kristinn

Posted on 09/13/2001 11:54:38 PM PDT by kristinn

Recently, some well known posters on FR have stated that criticism of the Bush administration is treasonous and cause for those critics to be arrested under martial law. Those comments have been cheered by dozens of other active FReepers.

I am watching Free Republic turn into a totalitarian groupthink of the kind that the left used to unjustly smear us with when we criticized the Clinton administration.

Good people like Alan Keyes and Larry Klayman who stood tall and faithful with FR for years, and posters who supported them, have been crucified as heretics and run out of the FR family for daring to criticize the Bush administration.

The forum is now dominated by vicious Bush supporters with an 'Us versus Them' mentality against fellow conservatives. The desire to root out government corruption and advance conservative causes has been replaced with a bloodlust and blacklisting for those who don't worship the Bush administration like they do. This situation has been going on for awhile, but it has gotten out of hand with this week's terrorist attacks.

Now, with regards to the present situation, I'd like to pose some questions: Why were all passenger flights grounded for almost three days since the attacks so that new security procedures could be put in place? If our air traffic safety was so secure before, why is there a perceived problem now ? Could it be that it wasn't really that safe ?

Where were our intelligence services ? Why did we have Clinton holdover DCI, George Tenent, doing the work of the Secretary of State in the Middle East instead of cleaning up the wreckage of the past eight years ?

How is it that foreign terrorists can go to flight school in the U.S., plot and carry out a complicated, coordinated massive assault involving several dozen conspirators against two vital American facilities without being detected ?

How is it that four hijacked planes flew unmolested and unchallenged by neither our air traffic control system or our military ?

We have experienced a massive failure of our almighty-two-trillion-dollar-peacekeeper-of-everywhere-but-home-bipartisan-protection-racket-federal government.

Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens are dead because of this failure to detect or intercept these heinous terrorist acts during either the months before or the hours of their execution.

The federal government lulled us into thinking that those silly questions (is this your luggage ?) and an ID check at the gate made flying safe. All the while there were gaping holes in our defenses.

They let us down.

The purpose; the job; the responsibility of the federal government is set forth in the preamble to the Constitution:

WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The eight corrupt years of President Clinton accompanied by four corrupt, compromised Congresses followed by nine months of a Bush administration that chose to sweep the rot of those years under the rug rather than clean it up has cost us dearly.

For those who say nine months is too short to change things in the government, remember this was the return of the grown-ups to Washington; this was the return of wise, experienced old hands such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and former President Bush; this was the era of the rising stars like Condi Rice, Karl Rove, and Karen Hughes. They chose to 'move on', not clean up.

In the aftermath of the attacks, it appears that the Executive and Legislative branches of our constitutional republic are finally bearing their responsibilties as they should. Except that while they call this attack an act of war, they are refusing to actually declare war.

The terrorists and those who aided and abetted them bear full responsibilty for the deaths and destruction and should pay with their lives and their cities.

But the federal government bears responsibility for leaving this nation and its citizens so vulnerable. Saying that is not treasonous--it is said out of patriotism and borne of a love of this Great Nation and a desire to see it survive.

One of Free Republic's greatest strengths has been the freedom to ask the hard questions of our government. It would be a crime to lose this freedom to any mob of posters, especially in this time of crisis.

I support President Bush, but I reserve the right to criticize him without my patriotism being called into doubt.


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Thank you for reading this.
1 posted on 09/13/2001 11:54:38 PM PDT by kristinn (kristinn@bellatlantic.net)
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To: kristinn
Blah...
2 posted on 09/13/2001 11:57:26 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: kristinn
It is worth it now to remember some sage counsel from Edward R. Murrow: We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom - what's left of it in the world - but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
3 posted on 09/14/2001 12:00:23 AM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: kristinn
You're wrong, Kristinn. You ARE right that you can still criticize, but for now, we're at war. We HAVE to remain united. I posted earlier, that even IF this had happened under Clinton's watch, I'd STILL be praying for wisdom for him, the same as Bush.

THE RULES HAVE CHANGED.....do you actually think any of us LIKE that??????

Please, you know we're being monitored. No, I don't do foil....just be really really careful, OK????

4 posted on 09/14/2001 12:01:09 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: To All
Now is the time for ALL TRUE Americans to UNITE and stand behind President Bush!
Any political differences should be put aside during this time of America's darkest hours.

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL

God Bless America!
V is for VICTORY!
What We as Americans Can Do
1) Pray
2) Check the Red Cross website for what supplies are needed.
3) Fly the American Flag!
4) Be prepared to make some sacrifices BUT continue to live your everyday life.
DO NOT LET TERRORISTS THINK THEY HAVE CHANGED OUR LIVES!
5) Support our military and law enforcement.

NEVER talk to ANYONE about
(in public, on a phone line, in an e-mail, in a chat room,
on an internet instant messenger or post on any forum)
1) military troop movement, military weapons, military operations, military supplies
2) current law enforcement investigations
3) locations of any members of the administration, Congress or their families.


Call the FBI Toll Free at 1-866-483-5137
if you see or hear anything that threatens our national security.


OUR ENEMIES MONITOR ALL COMMUNICATIONS,
INCLUDING FREE REPUBLIC


LOOSE LIPS SINKS SHIPS!
5 posted on 09/14/2001 12:03:40 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (LOOSE LIPS SINKS SHIPS!)
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To: kristinn
i criticize bush too, especially on trying to do an end run on the illegals. i too want revenge against the murdering rats but must realize that bush is in power no matter how much we rant. michael savage is a prime example of wanting a quick strike. most of us feel that way but we have to wait and see what they are planning. i hope it is a long, hard, relentless push against the araRATS!!

meanwhile, the body count grows.

6 posted on 09/14/2001 12:06:34 AM PDT by rockfish59
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To: kristinn
I agree with the first two pharagraphs....after that I loose you because you appear to be placing blame on a free and open country for not having enough security. The only reason they were able to pull this off is that WE didn;t think it could happen to US...Now we know better and we will deal with it.. Let us hold our blame and recriminations until the situation is delt with. As for the retoric I believe It can be blamed on anger, resentment,shock and a little bit of young idealism.
7 posted on 09/14/2001 12:10:21 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: kristinn
God bless kristinn. Good comments. Thanks.
8 posted on 09/14/2001 12:11:11 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: kristinn
Well, you get a big thumbs-up from me. We need to stand united against terrorists, but the federal government is, to a large extent, an incredibly expensive cluster-f&39.

I think Bush can hold up under this, but I've been squawking for months about the Koolaid-flavor-of-the-day, Daily Drooler, "He's so dreeeemy" stupid photo threads of him we're subjected to every day. Some of those sycophants are the same ones who griped about Klinton Koolaid Drinkers.

They're politicians. They want power and they want our money. And they must be scrutinized closely every damn day because overall they're failing the country and its founding principles - no matter what party they caucus with.

9 posted on 09/14/2001 12:11:58 AM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: kristinn
True.

And now some are using this event to call for a national ID. : (

I can do without the 'kill ALL arabs,' 'Kill ALL muslims' thing myself. The government may kill terrorists and go after terrorist-supporters- and that is a neccessary thing that we must now do- but don't cry for the blood of fellow Americans because you ASSUME they are sleepers, because you don't like their looks, or because you are angry and looking for an excuse. Those that do may as well be terrorists themselves. Surely there is no difference in their words.

This is particularly true when I reflect on my Iranian and Saudi naturalized friends who help us pass out flags every Memorial Day at the parade, and who are as patriotic as anyone on this forum. They don't support Islamic radicals or terrorists. Neither should we support blowhard American wannabe terrorists who condemn them because they don't even know them.

This is a dangerous time, and it is going to become more dangerous soon, until the US prevails. But we are still a nation of laws, and we still need to uphold the Constitution, even the parts that are inconvenient or uncomfortable, like the 1st ammendment when someone says something we might not want to hear.

10 posted on 09/14/2001 12:15:34 AM PDT by piasa
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To: kristinn
Perhaps Pat Buchanan's recent commentary might help you to understand things a little differently.

"You may not be interested in war," Leon Trotsky said, "but war is interested in you." Yesterday, it hunted us down and snatched thousands from their airplane seats, their morning briefings, and their business meetings with grisly efficiency. In an act of terror too horrific to comprehend, much less control, America was attacked by a power too cowardly to show its face.

A century of titans' clashes left the U.S. mainland unscathed. We felt secure within our borders, confident of our country's strength. But this morning, twin icons to our old invincibility lie ruined. The World Trade Center, monument to our economic dominance, and the Pentagon, center of our military might, now entomb more victims than we can yet count. They leave families ever after affected by their absence and a country lesser for their lost contributions.

Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot.

We may never know with certainty why evil stalked our skies that day. But we can find its agents. With the same steely resolve as the terrorists who targeted us, we will answer with a double measure of the same determination. Any nation that harbored them, any group that supported them, any individual that gave them aid must be held accountable - not in the name of revenge, but for justice's own sake.

The war that came looking for us yesterday plays by unwritten rules. It bypasses our fighting forces, stakes no claim to our territory, and makes weapons of our own assets. Pandemonium and panic are the laurels it covets, but yesterday we denied terror that reward. As casualty reports rose, so too did the spirit of a disconsolate nation - so much so that New York's mayor asked volunteers to stop coming and blood banks couldn't contain willing donors.

Late last night, amidst the carnage of lower Manhattan, an anonymous patriot raised a flag from a twisted lamppost. Beneath its watch, rescue workers toiled through the night, sorting through the wreckage of buildings and bodies. As they tended the wounded and grieved the dead, our banner's colors faded beneath layers of dust, yet it fluttered still -- a tattered reminder that America, though shaken still stands, and will live to fight another day.

______

There is nothing wrong with political debate, but as Pat points out, this is not the time nor the place to attempt to score political points off this tragedy. There are many on FR doing just that. They would serve their positions better by having the respect and decency to at least wait until we have recovered and buried our dead before making their accusations and arguments.

12 posted on 09/14/2001 12:19:23 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: kristinn
I think there's a lot of Freepers who are pretty zealous about defending the forum from the scumbag liberals who would do anything to disrupt it and even attempt to cause dissension. Some of the "criticisms" of Bush are just snide and a little too clever. There may have been some overreaction to that lately.
13 posted on 09/14/2001 12:26:29 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kristinn
Hiya Toots!

I haven't spoken with you for a long time. I understand your concern about Freepers, but remember, emotions and adrenaline are running high right now.

We all just witnessed the most horrific attack our nation has ever seen. We know we are going to war, and we are stunned. Many Freepers may have lost loved ones or are just outraged at the enormity of the loss and the cowardice of the acts.

Most Freepers will stand firm with a President we all worked hard to elect. I think he is an outstanding leader too. Look at all that Freepers have been through together. The Clinton presidency, scandal after scandal, reading your Saturday White house Freep reports with delight, the Florida election. We'll be d@mned if we will sit by while others attack our President.

But Free Republic has always been a place for frank discussion, and sometimes other freepers have unique ideas. Not all of us are behaving in the manner that you discussed.

Frankly, I wouldn't listen to criticisms of W coming from Liberals. It's their job to whine. But intellectual conservatives like Alan Keyes will at least get my ear. And in true conservative fashion, I'll make up my own mind about what I believe.

14 posted on 09/14/2001 12:31:18 AM PDT by passionfruit
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To: kristinn
I have been mostly supportive of W but I think your comments are right on the money. If somebody thinks they are treasonous their last name must be Beria.
15 posted on 09/14/2001 12:32:06 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for pump up; I agree
16 posted on 09/14/2001 12:33:21 AM PDT by SiFiPattie
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To: kristinn
I am on here quite a lot, and I haven't seen such a comment so far. In fact, I have seen quite the opposite from the other side wherein many people have taken this of all opportunities to go Bush bashing, when Bush isn't the problem, the mass murdering terrorists are. If Gore were President, I'd be behind him 100%. We are at war, and unless Bush totally fails to execute swift and massive retaliation with extreme prejudice, I'll back him 100% too.
17 posted on 09/14/2001 12:33:30 AM PDT by rebelsoldier
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To: kristinn
Thank you for an excellent letter--very well written and analyzed.

I was overjoyed when Bush squeaked by to become the president--perhaps our relief at not having a President Gore has blinded us to the reality that we must hold our elected officials accountable EVERY DAY.

And let us make sure that in this crisis we do not lose our cherished freedoms, one of which is to post our thoughts freely on the Internet, including FR, without fear of governmental retaliation (I write that last sentence more with hope than with certainty. Anyone for a tax audit?)

18 posted on 09/14/2001 12:38:46 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: kristinn
"Recently, some well known posters on FR have stated that criticism of the Bush administration is treasonous and cause for those critics to be arrested under martial law. Those comments have been cheered by dozens of other active FReepers."

You notice too ha. Yes-like what happened to the supeana that Burton put out for evidence? It is really getting crazy around here. There is massive hate like I have never seen on FR. There is a thread where about 19 out of 20 people want us to Nuke the muslims without any regard to anything else...Like the fact that once we do then we are saying it is ok for others to use nukes too. You have been one of FR's greatest activists, and many would be wise to listen to you. If this kind of crazyness keeps up then I fear that JR may have to pull the plug.

19 posted on 09/14/2001 12:44:21 AM PDT by Revel
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To: kristinn
kristinn, with you, my friend....FRegards
20 posted on 09/14/2001 12:46:04 AM PDT by gonzo
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To: kristinn
"But the federal government bears responsibility for leaving this nation and its citizens so vulnerable. "

And if so, what the heck are going to do about that now? Throw them out? What makes you think thier replacements would be better? They could even be worse. Old Chinese proverb, "Don't fix blame fix problem." And Klayman is an idiot.

21 posted on 09/14/2001 12:47:18 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: CWOJackson
Your view is a Cancer. A Cancer that will bring us a police state. It is very very narrow minded and dangerous.
22 posted on 09/14/2001 12:50:57 AM PDT by Revel
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To: kristinn
Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens are dead because of this failure to detect or intercept these heinous terrorist acts during either the months before or the hours of their execution.

NO! They are not dead because AMERICAS "failure to detect". They are dead because a bunch of SICK TERRORISTS decided their lives were worthless because they were AMERICAN and didn't give a crap because the only thing that mattered to the terrorists was going to their 'heaven' in a blaze so they could greet 'allah' and have sex with anyone they wanted to in 'heaven'. Never forget.

The federal government lulled us into thinking that those silly questions (is this your luggage ?) and an ID check at the gate made flying safe. All the while there were gaping holes in our defenses.

The federal government has regulations but they do not own the airlines. We do not live in a communist country. Well, the airlines will be very secure now...arrive 2 hours ahead of time...no curbside luggage...show government ID...no carry-on luggage...etc. Happy now?

They let us down.

"They" are people. "They" are not machines. "They" had friends and family affected by this attack. "They" are AMERICANS, just like you.

The purpose; the job; the responsibility of the federal government is set forth in the preamble to the Constitution: We the people

It says WE THE PEOPLE not the "federal government"....We the people....................

23 posted on 09/14/2001 12:51:10 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: kristinn
If you haven't noticed , FR has been Balkanized / seperated into waring factions and cliques, for well over a year. Some of the groups actually look to start flame wars. Others, huddle on one or two threads, and if you don't agree with them, they won't come after you on another thread; unlke the previously mentioned group. There has been little cohesiveness here, and though this horrific event SHOULD have brought us all together , it hasn't .

Believe it or not, plans are NOT traced every step of their flight. Why should the terorist siezed planes have been intercepted ? Were any MayDays sent ? NO ! Was there any hint of trouble prior to the WTC kamakazi hit ? Absolutely not !

How could some of the terrorists go to flight school here ? They enrolled. They paid their fees, and went to class. That's how. They certainly didn't tell theer instructors : " Hey man, I'm gonna highjack a plane ... that's why I need to know how to learn how to fly one. Big surprise, Kristen, this is a FREE COUNTRY ! We didn't have any reason to suspect this scenario. What should we have done ?

Maybe you would like all schools to deny entrance anyone who isn't blonde, blue eyed, and six feet tall , and can prove that their ancestors fought in the Revolution , by supplying corroborating DNA ? Would THAT please you ? Frankly, I just can not see why you would even imagine that some of the things you have raised have any merit, let alone an answer.

Personally, I detest the " droolers ", the syciphantic group , who are just as bad as the Cintonistas , whom they despised. OTOH, likewise, I also detest those whose presidential candidates not only did not win , but who had less chance than Nader of garnishing a microsipic vote, who continually find fault with EVERYTHING, probably even President Bush's breathing, that he has or has not done. Both camps, though the opposite sides of one coin, are doing a disservice to this site, and to this nation.

This post of your's , especailly at this time, is just adding fuel to an already roaring fire. It's an embarassment ; as are so many of the extranious, banal, and unnecessary, ego driven vanities that have stalled FR , for the past two days.

24 posted on 09/14/2001 12:51:42 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Revel
Wow, I know Pat Buchanan has been called a lot of names, and I've called him some of those names, but I think cancer is a new one.

"Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot."

Yes, I can see how this is narrow minded and dangerous...we wouldn't want to show respect for our dead or exercise a modest level of decency.

25 posted on 09/14/2001 12:55:02 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: kristinn
I think at times like these, emotions ride high, and we have to step back and assess what's important. There is as wide a diversity of opinion here as with the general population, I would suspect. This is the first I've heard that the problem you describe exists, but what's great about this forum, you can click on the next thread and it's like old home week. Just move on for your blood pressure's sake.

Quote of the Day by Dog Gone

26 posted on 09/14/2001 1:01:52 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: CWOJackson
I will tell you this. When we go to war to get those who did this then I will support Bush even if I don't agree with him on everything. And I did vote for him. I have not been happy with certain things he has done, but I do think that he will be a great leader through all of this. I would love to wipe out this whole terrorist operation. And I hope we do, but there are a lot of people here who are so full of hate that they can't even think rational. They want to nuke every square inch of the middle east. You are probably one of those to. Bush would never be fueled by such hate. That is way more than I could say about most of those that say that they are totally devoted to him. If GW were to post here on FR he would condemn the level of hate here in the last few days against every Muslim on the face of the earth. I am angered with multiculturalism and don't agree with it at all. If you come to America you become a devoted American or you go home in my thoughts. But At the same time there is a great evil showing its face here. It can be described as nothing less than the same kind of hate that A doff Hitler had. I hate to say it but I feel I am seeing NAZISM being reborn. War and killing may be necessary at times, but it is never something to rejoice about. We have a job to do, but we should be sad that we have to do it. And we should remember that we are after the bad guys, and not all muslims are our enemys.
28 posted on 09/14/2001 1:42:42 AM PDT by Revel
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To: kristinn
I agree that FR has become a really ugly place the last few days. Many posts and some almost entire threads are consumed with irrational, emotion-filled hatred and racism. I understand people are working out their anger but they claim to be taken seriously. Differing points of view are discouraged, there is no more informed discussion. I was thinking I should start reading just the articles and not the comments and not post any more, however tonight I feel the situation is improving somewhat.
30 posted on 09/14/2001 1:52:53 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: kristinn
The terrorism that has visited America is the direct result of both our internationalist foreign policy
and our open border policy.

Bush Jr. is merely the latest practitioner of this misguided mess.

As for the die hard Pubbies censors on this forum, Pat Buchanan sure has America's immigration policy wrong, eh?

31 posted on 09/14/2001 1:55:07 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: kristinn
We have experienced a massive failure of our almighty-two-trillion-dollar-peacekeeper-of-everywhere-but-home-bipartisan-protection-racket-federal government.

Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens are dead because of this failure to detect or intercept these heinous terrorist acts during either the months before or the hours of their execution.

The federal government lulled us into thinking that those silly questions (is this your luggage ?) and an ID check at the gate made flying safe. All the while there were gaping holes in our defenses.

They let us down.

Would you have preferred cameras in every toilet peering up your anus?

32 posted on 09/14/2001 1:56:38 AM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: kristinn
Larry Klayman is a crank. And the Keyster is under some grand illusion that he's a real important player. He's not. He's never held elected office, and that's not important, but he's just a bomb thrower...
33 posted on 09/14/2001 1:59:46 AM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: Revel
"I hate to say it but I feel I am seeing NAZISM being reborn."

Really, that's it. Many here would apparently welcome a Hitler who promised genocide of all Muslims. (And Hitler didn't even talk about genocide up front.)

I think we are seeing the worst human mentality emerge. However I'm hoping it's only a temporary aberration due to extreme emotions.

34 posted on 09/14/2001 2:02:54 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: KillerWabbit
Well, there were "gaping holes in our defenses". The most amazing one to me is the 'less than 4" is okay' knife rule. Now thanks to this we will all be subject to security guards peering up out butts.
35 posted on 09/14/2001 2:08:59 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: kristinn
A link to pictures of the missing-Truly heart wrenching
36 posted on 09/14/2001 2:14:02 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: kristinn

Amen. Good post.


37 posted on 09/14/2001 2:19:11 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa
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To: Kaptain Kanada
...don't expect too much good to come from the CIA, DEA, FBI and BATF. They are terrorist outfits themselves...

That's not true. And they're working around the clock right now to find out who's responsible. How about putting the old grudges on hold for a while, and showing the support they deserve?

38 posted on 09/14/2001 2:20:43 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: kristinn
Excessive recrimination of the failures of the intelligence community at this time -- and the implication that Bush is somehow responsible -- completely leaves me cold, kristinn, and is of very bad taste when the bodies are barely cold.

Your freeping of the White House has been admirable, but that does not give you a pass to be unfair, and this tasteless.

39 posted on 09/14/2001 2:24:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
"Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot."

Pat Buchanan.

40 posted on 09/14/2001 2:27:17 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: wirestripper
I agree with the first two pharagraphs....after that I loose you because you appear to be placing blame on a free and open country for not having enough security.

Truth. I agree. There is also an implication that somehow Bush is the bad guy here, and I'm sorry, that is not fair, and it is CERTAINLY the wrong time for such an unfair recrimination.

41 posted on 09/14/2001 2:27:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: CWOJackson, kristinn
"Tempted though some may be to glean talking points from the tragedy, this is no time for sermonizing about failed intelligence or soured imperialism. This is a season for a heartsick nation to mourn our fallen and commend our heroes. Details will surface soon enough, but they won't fill empty chairs at dinner tables. Buildings can be reconstructed; broken families cannot." -- Pat Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan surprises me on occasion. I am amazed by how well this commentary fits this thread.

Kristinn, you mention Pat Buchanan. Please, good sir, learn from the very man you cite.

42 posted on 09/14/2001 2:29:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
That's not true. And they're working around the clock right now to find out who's responsible. How about putting the old grudges on hold for a while, and showing the support they deserve?

Deal.

The BATF is the most cowboy-ish, unprofessional, problem-ridden organization in the United States. The FBI has its share of foulups and coverups. The DEA enforces laws that merely serve to strip us of our BoR. The CIA has so many failures it has been called "Comedy In Action".

However, right now, I salute them. I am proud of them all. I wish them much success in this investigation. They are my fellow Americans and they are our only line of defense.

43 posted on 09/14/2001 2:33:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Brad's Gramma
"....we're at war...."

With whom?

44 posted on 09/14/2001 2:33:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Rome2000
Thanks for the link to the list of the missing. I'm originally from Long Island...looks like one of my former classmates is among the missing...my Mom is friends with his mother-in-law, I'll have to call her in the morning. This whole damn thing is just so unbelieveable.
45 posted on 09/14/2001 2:34:16 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: kristinn
I don't agree. The rhetoric on FR is Bush-trashing not disagreements in policy or suggestions. It is the rhetoric of "I" - I want, I won't support, I won't. It is negativism in the highest degree. It is also the art of belittling and ridicule.

What does this do? During wartime, it aids and abets the enemy. It weakens your President as he and his family are the target of terrorists, ridiculed by the press and surrounded by opponents trying to set traps for him.

Who is to support the President? Why would you send your leader out to fight all enemies, even those behind his back, all alone? When you encourage support of your troops, why would you not want encouragement for the Commander-in-Chief? What would happen to a soldier if he was treated as the President is treated?

I have been so disappointed on what I have seen from you conservatives. Where are the constructive criticisms, the respectful differing points of view, the suggestions? I see none of this - I see people unhappy with government as government is today. They will never have a government that they like because you can't evolve backward in time. They then take it out on the man who is in power doing their best to prevent him being an effective president. I see armchair quarterbacks second-guessing every move knowing only a fraction of the total picture, I see complainers and whiners trying to gain respect by attacking their president.

If you expect us to take the criticisms, then make them criticisms handled in a respectful way. Quit the Bush-bashing because you don't have the Hollywood president who is all things to all people at all times. You have one man as president and he can do no more than one man. A pity you didn't get your perfect candidate but that is life. You have to play the cards dealt you.

46 posted on 09/14/2001 2:35:00 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Lazamataz
I posted the whole commentary (post #12); it's an excellent read. The only response was: "Your view is a Cancer. A Cancer that will bring us a police state. It is very very narrow minded and dangerous."

I recommend Pat's whole commentary...cancerous as it is.

47 posted on 09/14/2001 2:35:20 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Lazamataz
"Your freeping of the White House has been admirable, but that does not give you a pass to be unfair, and this tasteless".

Too many are extremely reactive...Larry Klayman and Alan Keyes for example, have not produced anything but a bunch of empty talk..Sure it sounds good, but what good have they really done? If we do not stay united we surely will fall.

49 posted on 09/14/2001 2:45:07 AM PDT by hope
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To: hope
Too many are extremely reactive...Larry Klayman and Alan Keyes for example, have not produced anything but a bunch of empty talk..Sure it sounds good, but what good have they really done? If we do not stay united we surely will fall.

What have any of us done, but empty talk? It's okay for them -- and us -- to express ourselves, since we are largely helpless. Sure, we've given blood and our paltry sums of money and so on, but there's nothing else to do BUT talk.

50 posted on 09/14/2001 2:48:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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