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Can someone explain the muslim beliefs?
9/14/01 | kelly in alaska

Posted on 09/14/2001 1:09:48 PM PDT by knak

what do these people beleive?


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1 posted on 09/14/2001 1:09:48 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
They believe that God sent a later prophet named Mohammed who received the Quoran throught the angel Gabriel. They believe Jesus was a prophet and not the Son of God. It's like a later addition to Judaism.
2 posted on 09/14/2001 1:13:53 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: knak
Try this thread.
3 posted on 09/14/2001 1:15:32 PM PDT by 6323cd
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To: knak
there are the 5 pillars of Islam:

there is no god before allah (aaliyah?)
one must make a journey(Haj) to Mecca once in their lifetime
one must give alms to the poor (zakat)
and two more with something like honoring parents and minor pilgrimages and the 5 prayers daily towards Mecca.

you can probably find some research on it on the web. Apparently their religion is incompatible with democracy. The largest Muslim population is in Indonesia, and you may remember the near genocide when they invaded East Timor. Shortly after several donations from the Riyadih famiily, Klintoon sold them several f-16 fighters despite Bush Sr.'s decision to not fund their aggeression.

5 posted on 09/14/2001 1:19:21 PM PDT by opticoax
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To: all
thanks
6 posted on 09/14/2001 1:27:19 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
The Muslim holy book is the Quran. Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah (God) to humanity; that he was the last of the Prophets in a line which included such great prophets as Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus; that no new Prophets or Messengers will ever be sent to humanity; that Muhammad was a direct descendant of Abraham. True Muslims (not "Munafiqs", i.e.: Muslims in name only) believe that soon, the entire world will convert and become Muslims - some, out of pure devotion to the Prophet Muhammad, some out of fear to save themselves from the sword when the Mahdi (the predicted One) will come to purify the earth by his sword and the world government of the True Religion, Islam, shall be established, following much bloodshed and killing of unbelievers and those who refuse to recognize the One True Religion. They believe that the Mahdi is already alive today and they long for his appearance.

You can read more here: Al-Imam al-Mahdi, The Just Leader of Humanity</font color>.</font size>


7 posted on 09/14/2001 1:31:09 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: knak
The small fraction of Muslims that make up the "extreme" wing (the a$$holes we're dealing with here) have convinced their frontline kamikaze workers that every "infidel" (that's us) they take out in their suicide mission in service of Allah will serve them in their afterlife.

I guess these a$$holes have it made, don't they?

10 posted on 09/14/2001 1:34:06 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: knak
Which version? The original one or the several that are followed by these lunatics?
11 posted on 09/14/2001 1:40:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: CapeFear4W
I could give a rat's a$$

I agree 100 percent. But it helps to know what motivates your enemy. These animals are a different, and I am afraid much more formidable, breed than any enemy we have had to fight before. It will take great resolve, and a commitment to a strong set of principles, if we are to overcome. It is, ultimately, the battle of good vs. evil.

12 posted on 09/14/2001 1:42:30 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: knak
This site will be an eyeopener. Judge for yourself.

http:scottcam.nx2000.net/articles/koran.htm//www.

13 posted on 09/14/2001 1:45:53 PM PDT by rebdov
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To: knak

What/Who is Allah ?


14 posted on 09/14/2001 1:54:16 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: Blood of Tyrants
One thing that these people are not is "lunatics." They are dedicated to the true Muslim faith and the teachings of Muhammad and the Mullahs. These cutthroats who hijacked those planes were trained pilots and were able to figure out how to fly a huge, very complicated passenger jet airliner with exacting precision. We underestimate them, and their devotion to what they perceive is the purity of their faith, at our peril.
15 posted on 09/14/2001 1:55:54 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: rebdov
good link
16 posted on 09/14/2001 1:57:57 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The one the lunatics practice is actually what I was referring too.

Know your enemies!

18 posted on 09/14/2001 2:06:20 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
bump
19 posted on 09/14/2001 2:07:38 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31
Slavery of females, exclusive male leadership, violence to anyone who doesn't breathe properly....did I leave anything out?????
20 posted on 09/14/2001 2:10:09 PM PDT by Malcolm
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To: knak
If you want to know about Judaism go to a synagogue and ask a Rabbi. If you want to know about Catholicism go to a Catholic Church and ask a priest. If you want to know about Islam go to an Islamic Center and ask an Imam.
What is going on in this thread and too many others on FR is a vicious display of the lowest elements of hatred, racism and religious bigotry. You wouldn't ask David Duke about black people so don't expect these rabid haters of Americans of the Islamic faith to give you a genuine answer. Go to your local Islamic Center and ask the people there, they will be very happy to explain Islam to you.
<br. I wish you peace and success in your endeavor to learn about the religion of seven million of your fellow Americans.
21 posted on 09/14/2001 2:11:09 PM PDT by luvzhottea
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To: spongebob58
Something akin to Mormon

Well, not exactly.
Whereas Muslims believe that God sent a later prophet named Mohammed who received the Quoran throught the angel Gabriel, LDS (Mormons) believe that God sent a later prophet, Joseph Smith, who dug up "golden plates" which were buried in a hill in Palmyra, New York as he was directed by the angel Moroni. Those plates, which according to Joseph Smith were written in "ancient Egyptian," were translated by Smith, using magical spectacles, into what was the original Book of Mormon. While the Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last prophet to be sent by God, the Mormons believe in a long succession of prophets, including the head of their church today, who claims to receive direct revelation from God.

22 posted on 09/14/2001 2:11:31 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: knak
Save your sanity and do not go to an Islamic web site.

You do not want a version filtered through some nutcases mind.
Buy a copy of the Koran and read it yourself.
You may have to force yourself, it is like a bad comic book, for mental retards.
For low IQs, boring and repetitious.

23 posted on 09/14/2001 2:13:30 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: rebdov
PITA that I am - I always evangelize!

So I should not discuss beliefs while riding in the taxi? I should be afraid?

24 posted on 09/14/2001 2:14:08 PM PDT by janee
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To: ppaul
We underestimate them, and their devotion to what they perceive is the purity of their faith, at our peril.

When you get back to Iran, tell them that there is about to be a new definition of "peril".

Tell them to find a deep, deep hole to hide in. For a long time.

I saw the purity of the faith Tuesday, and just between us, I was not impressed.
And lest you feel tempted to say those were isolated nutcases, I will be happy to post quotes from clerics that will curl people's hair.

Purity of their faith my...

25 posted on 09/14/2001 2:22:05 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: luvzhottea
If you want to know about Judaism go to a synagogue and ask a Rabbi.
Wrong
If you want to know about Catholicism go to a Catholic Church and ask a priest.
wrong again
If you want to know about Islam go to an Islamic Center and ask an Imam.
The biggest wrong of all.

Think about it. What counts is what they do, not what they say, nor what propaganda company they can hire.

Was Sister Teresa Muslim? Do you think that's an accident? Can you think of any Muslim anything even close?

26 posted on 09/14/2001 2:28:17 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: luvzhottea
Poppycock.
For centuries, if you wanted to learn about God, you were directed to those with inside knowledge. People were regarded as the ignorant masses - until one day, a priest by the name of Martin Luther nailed his thesis to the door of the church in Wittenburg. The history of civilization was forever changed. Later, in 1611, King James had the Scriptures translated into the English so the common person could read them and discern their meaning on his or her own. If you want to learn about a religion, go to a library and read the books and teachings of that religion first, before you get some "leader's" sugar-coated spin. That sugar-coating is what gets so many people entangled into cults before they understand the fundamental beliefs underlying them. For instance: If you want to learn about communism, you would be stupid indeed to take the regime's rosy spin on it. You'd do better to read Marx & Lenin first and decide for yourself whether you want to pledge allegiance to a system that embracing their teachings, or before you want to take the regime's word on what those teachings entail.
27 posted on 09/14/2001 2:30:03 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Publius6961
And lest you feel tempted to say those were isolated nutcases.....

That's not what I tried to say at all. One, these are not isolated cases. Two, these guys are cold, calculating, and diabolical. Calling them "nutcases" denotes some mental defect. On the contrary, these agents of terror have keen intellects and sharp minds to be able to carry out such a diabolical plot virtually undetected and with precision timing. That is why I said we should not underestimate them (as mental midgets). They are devoted. They have clearly defined goals. And they intend to purify the world for the one world government that they believe will come about as the result of their martyrdom under the One True Religion, as they call it.

28 posted on 09/14/2001 2:36:59 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: knak
The question is ambiguous, because the title asks about all muslims, and the first post asked about "these people" and obviously refers to the men who did this on Tuesday. The two are not the same. What muslims believe others can tell you about. I'll just talk about what the twisted bunch who did this are after.

They want a united islamic world that does not fight within, but only without. They want "domestic" matters within islamic countries to follow a law code, the "shariah", that is essentially unchanged from medieval times and largely based on past rulings of islamic judges ("qadis"). They have the fantasy that if everyone who professes to be muslim agreed with them, no muslim would ever fight another, but all would fight outsiders. They have essentially made their own narrow ideas of islamic orthodoxy into a sort of modern "movement" ideology. At the root, the primary thing motivating them is not piety at all, but an imported notion of "authenticity". They get their sense of identify from negating everything foreign, modern, western, secular.

In the case of Laden, he was radicalized during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He was already a wealthy man from construction and government contracting work in Saudi Arabia. During the 1980s, the Saudis and the rest of the gulf states helped fund the Afghan resistence against the soviets. Pakistani intelligence ran some of the resistence factions, and Iranian intelligence ran others. US aid was funneled in too, mostly through the Pakistanis. The Saudis (et al) provided funding, the US provided intel and weapons, the Pakistanis provided bases, direct logistics, and command and control. Laden got involved in distributing some of the funds coming from the gulf. This made him a power in the whole network created to run the war. He had his agents in the Afghan refugee camps just over the border in Pakistan, worked with some elements of Pakistani intelligence, with several factions in Afghanistan itself, and occasionally cooperated with Iranian-backed factions.

The sense he had from all of that was of the different islamic factions played off against each other by foreign paymasters, both east and west. He decided that islamic identity was the only trustworthy "litmus test", that islamic unity was what the locals needed, while learning cynicism about everything else. He came to see the Saudis as US dupes. The soviets he saw as unspeakably cruel atheist invaders.

Then in 1989, the US made the deal that led to withdrawl of soviet forces from Afghanistan. Part of the deal was that the US cut off further funding to all factions of the Afghan rebels. The soviets pulled out their own troops, but continued to fund their proxies inside the country. The result was civil war. Laden and those like him viewed this as a sell-out by the US. Having achieved our anti-soviet purposes, he sees the US as having left the country to Russian client communists and to civil war trying to oust them. Graditude for the help given, let alone understanding of the limits on what the US could do, or the usefulness of the withdrawl deal, were not among his impressions.

In the resulting civil war, there were factions backed by the Russians, the Iranians, the Pakistanis, several local ones fighting for particular ethnic groups, etc. Several attempts at unity governments failed. Around the same time, the US went into Saudi to help evict Iraq from Kuwait. Laden and company saw this as confirmation of the Saudi role as western dupes. They were particularly incensed about US troops on Saudi soil because the Saudis are the custodians of Mecca, the site of the Haj pilgrimage all muslims are supposed to make at least once in their life. From Laden's perspective, from islam being a once unified civilization, its country of origin had come to be an occupied area, as this and that group favored this or that interest, policy, or set of outsiders.

He moved to opposing the Saudi government and calling for its overthrow, and replacement by an islamic regime along the lines of the one in Iran (a few differences, but that is not misleading). The Saudis exiled him from the country, although he still has a following there.

Meanwhile, in Afghanistan the Taliban movement arose, trying to end the civil war. It largely followed his own ideas - that islamic unity was the only way to freeze out foreign influences and thus re-unify the country, or to avoid being divided and conquered. However, unlike Laden, the Taliban were not explicitly expansionist. They wanted their way for Afghanistan. They received wide popular support based on the belief that they could put an end to the civil war and no one else could. They won the civil war over most of the country in a few years. The Pakistanis backed their rise, as the likely winning horse, to keep their own influence and freeze out the Iranians and Russians. Only one of the many rival factions remains a force against the Taliban - the northern alliance, which was part of the anti-soviet resistence, and also based on a different ethnic group than the majority in the south ansd southwest of the country.

Laden, meanwhile, was aggressively exporting his notion of islamic identify as anti-western, anti-modern, as the means to avoid foreign politiking and in his dreams, to re-unite the muslim world. His main goals in this respect are internal, not external - but external policy is his appeal, his means of recruitment. That is, he vies for popularity within the islamic world. His rivals are the various governments of muslim countries, especially the more moderate, pro-western, or even somewhat secular ones. His "selling point" in that rivalry is that he will stand up to the west and the "first world" generally; that all muslims should direct all hostility and political action outward; that this supposedly will prevent divisions within the muslim world and establish shariah law as a basis of domestic "justice".

His acts of terrorism against the west are -not- designed to change western policy - although in the longer term he does want all non-islamic countries completely out of any region of the world muslims live in, and all muslim governments that do not agree with his own brand of external hostility and internal fanaticism overthrown as well. They are not even meant to terrorize the west in the usual sense in which terrorist seek to do so. They are primarily meant for "home" consumption, as acts of defiance and war, to show he and those like him are the ones who will really fight "ferreigners" (he'd say "the infidels"). They are meant to show by contrast that all other governments of islamic countries are western lackies.

Incidentally, the Baath party of Syria and Iraq had similar ideas decades earlier, but restricted to Arab nationalism (one nation, those who speak Arabic languages - roughly from Morocco to Iraq, excepting Turkey) rather than Islamic identify (the whole religion, which is much larger than just the Arab-speaking nation - including Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, the southern Republics of the former USSR, etc).

Both are jingoistic, "authenticity"-kick forms of internally cohesive and repressive politics, based on being more strident than the next guy about hating foreign influences. Ideologically, the precusors of these movements do not lie within Islamic thought, and the backers of them often have a remarkably shallow and crude understanding of their own traditions. Instead, the precursors come from 1920s and 1930s Europe. The same sort of resentment of foreign policy impotence that fueled extremism in Weimar Germany has been present in many parts of the muslim world, uninterrupted, since that time. The same subjects - the evil of a decadent capitalist west, its moral equivalence with materialist and atheist communism, anti-semitism - are exploited in these people's propaganda. The same millenial claims of reviving long dead empires a thousand years old, romanticising what those originally were, etc

They are no more the essence of islam, than nazism was the essence of Christianity because a hooked cross was its symbol. They wave around their claim to islamic authenticity like a flag, but would not know mercy or compassion if it bit them.

Incidentally, there are islamic fundamentalists in a proper sense of that term who are not of this stripe, do want shariah law domestically but are not "unify by killing the outsiders" thugs, and are rather more learned about their own history and laws. Shariah law has legal status in Pakistan, without these ideas governing that country. In other words, just being traditionalist or in favor of established religion, is not equivalent to the Laden brand of "movement", ideologized "islam".

I hope this helps somewhat. If you have questions about the sort of thing they think, I'll be happy to elaborate. Please keep in mind that denunciation is not understanding and helps not a wit. Do not take anything I've said above as condoning anything these extremists say or do. As I think I have made clear, I have a very low opinion of them. But one can understand why a movement exists, what instincts it appeals to, without in the least condoning it.

29 posted on 09/14/2001 2:51:44 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: luvzhottea
Why do I need Islam "explained" to me? I already know what it is, based on countless demostrations of it. Why are so many terrorists born of it if it is so good, as a "pure" person like you apparently believes? No thanks, I already know enough to make my own judgment. If you want to know why Christianity is authentic and Islam is a false religion, why don't YOU LOOK IT UP??????
30 posted on 09/14/2001 3:05:17 PM PDT by Malcolm
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To: luvzhottea
Don't have a local center; probably this is a good arrangment for all concerned. If they want to educate me, they probably better type something on this thread while they have my attention.
33 posted on 09/14/2001 7:44:27 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: luvzhottea
Don't have a local center; probably this is a good arrangment for all concerned. If they want to educate me, they probably better type something on this thread while they have my attention.
34 posted on 09/14/2001 7:44:29 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: knak
Apparently a small and insufferable minority of Muslems believe that they can get into a pi$$ing contest with us and come out dry
35 posted on 09/14/2001 7:49:36 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: everyone
You cannot compare all Muslims to the animals that have terrorized our nation any more than you can compare all Christians to the radical Christian Reconstructionist movement (like the nutcases at Chalcedon).
36 posted on 09/14/2001 7:57:22 PM PDT by jess35
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To: knak
what do these people beleive?

Well, you can start by seeing what several of them said themselves. That's always a good place.

The web page for this below is at --

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlul Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it [EMPHASIS ADDED], in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

How's that for a "starter"?

37 posted on 09/16/2001 11:56:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (aldebaran6640@hotmail.com)
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To: Star Traveler
BTTT
38 posted on 09/25/2001 9:12:12 AM PDT by 6323cd
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To: Star Traveler
I am sorry to dissapoint the few of you that will like to believe that that is what the Koran says, but it is not a quote from the koran, It is probably what the terrorists will like to believe, but having finished the Koran in both english and Arabic, I can assure you that no where is it mentioned that you may slaughter the pagans, in fact marriage is even allowed between muslims and christians and jews, as long as they believe in one god, and islam teaches people to tolerate and respect other religions. I am not sure where you got this quotes from, but I dont think it was a reliable source. What happened on sept.11 is not in the name of allah, because even in 'Jihad' if thats what they like to call it, you can not kill non combats, women children or elderly, anyone unarmed, and anyone who surrenders themselves to you. nor can you fire at a place where there is a live tree. Islam is a religion of peace, regardless of those few who are trying to give it a bad name by doing things in the name of Islam, when they probably never have read the koran in their life, or even prayed in their lives, but who were brainwashed (or bribed) into doing what they did. If Islam taught such hate, I dont think it would be the fastest growing religion, and believed by 1/5 of the world population, and if you would like to use Osama bin laden as an example of the average muslim, then I think it fair to use Hitler or Timothy Mcveigh as your all around avergae christian.
39 posted on 12/10/2001 1:19:30 PM PST by Islami
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To: All
For the record there are over 7 million American-muslims. so if they want to kill 'Americans' I am as American as Apple pie. Considering the percentage of muslims in America and Europe, It will be hard not to wipe out half the muslim population. which is why I stick with my theory that it is all a plot, a conspiracy to give Islam a bad name.
40 posted on 12/10/2001 1:25:26 PM PST by Islami
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To: luvzhottea
If you want to know about Islam go to an Islamic Center and ask an Imam. What is going on in this thread and too many others on FR is a vicious display of the lowest elements of hatred, racism and religious bigotry.

Or replay the videos of Sept. 11, 2001 for New York, Wash. D.C. and Pennsylvania. About 19 missionaries of Islam came to America, to preach their gospel. Pardon me, but if Americans remain a little "intolerant" at this time, it is normal.

You see, my tolerant friend, many have read extensively about Islam. Many are concerned, that Islam IS NOT PEACEFUL. We read about treatment of women, cutting off hands and legs, female circumcision, virtual absence of democracy. We read that the vast majority of wars today in the world, involve Islam.

It is Islam that needs to change, not our view of it (negative).

41 posted on 12/10/2001 1:52:24 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: knak; Khepera
They also believe that Islam is the only religion, and they kill those who worship otherwise. See Saudia Arabia and other Islamic countries as reference
42 posted on 12/10/2001 2:07:51 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Islami
Yes, the Muslims are the real victims here, as always.

That explains why they were dancing for joy in the streets of Cairo and Islamabad on September 11, and why bin Ladin himself has praised the attacks on New York.

You are deranged, like so many practioners of your once-proud faith. I pity you.

43 posted on 12/10/2001 2:19:45 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Islami
Welcome to the forum!
44 posted on 12/13/2001 10:57:36 AM PST by Registered
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To: truth_seeker
If you want to see the christian religion, replay timothy mcveighs glorious gospel in Oklahoma city, I am sorry but you, my friend, are a very ignorant man. Sept. 11 killed 1700 muslims just as it killed people of many other religions. It was a terror attack by terrorists, not by god-fearing muslims. Yes it is a very peaceful religion, and many wars are not fought by muslims, the ones that are, are mostly against Jews, but thats a whole different story. But 1/5 of the world is of the Islam religion, ALL OVER THE WORLD, From Africa to Europe, AMerica, China, Middle East, and the Americas. So you have to speak relatively.
45 posted on 12/13/2001 10:59:53 AM PST by Islami
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To: knak
goto

real islam.org

46 posted on 12/13/2001 11:08:22 AM PST by y2k_citizen
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To: cicero's_son
It is still indeed a VERY PROUD FAITH, Which I am very Proud of, I am sorry but you have to get it through your pea sized brain that a few people does not represnt millions of other, And Osama gloating?? WHO THE HELL PUT HIM IN THE MUSLIM CATEGORY?? A muslim is required to pray, give charity, fast during the holy month, make a pilgrimage to the holy land, and are restricted from drinking alcohol, no where does it say in the Koran or in any Islamic text for that matter, 'kill americans.' As far as those 19 suicide bombers, well any muslim knows it is the worst of sins to kill yourself, in fact your body will start burning before judgement day, since god gave you life, god takes it away, so this whole thing about being promised heaven is all bullshit, it is not promised to terrorists, it is promised to muslims who live according to the Koran. As far as being the victim, I am not trying to be the victim of anything, nor is any muslim, however our mosques do get attack by mindless people who hold your views, in fact I believe they just arrested some Jewish men who were planning on blowing up the mosque for our coming holiday, hum,, I wonder why that didnt make the front page of the New York Times, or any part of it for that matter.
47 posted on 12/13/2001 11:10:37 AM PST by Islami
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To: Islami
Islami Disruptor since December 10th, 2001

48 posted on 12/13/2001 11:13:32 AM PST by Gritty
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To: Islami
.... Sept. 11 killed 1700 muslims...

Where do you get your propaganda? We used to have a guy here named "ankaboot" who would make outrageous claims, such as "Muslims discovered neutron stars in the 16th century".

You remind me of him.

49 posted on 12/13/2001 11:15:45 AM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: y2k_citizen
According to the Koran, Adam takes the forbidden fruit, unlike in Christianity and judaism, where Eve is the sinner, Women are not looked down upon in Islam, they have equal rights as men, but they have to be modest in dress, which seems to bother the westerners the most. I dont mean taliban mandated burqas, Islam only states that the women is to be covered past her elbows and past the ankles, which is no problem for me, because i wear jeans and long sleeved shirts, or dresses. as a muslim woman, i believe it is for my own protection, I have no desire to wear bikinis or mini skirts, because I think it is out of disrespect that a man, other then my husband, will stare at my almost naked body, and it can cause unwanted attention.
50 posted on 12/13/2001 11:19:31 AM PST by Islami
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